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Jose Berenguer
Roberto Mello
Dave Simmons
Pascal Le pihive
Mick Chapman
Petr Hlavac
Jason Fitch
Jacob Fredriksson
Mike Becnel
Matthias Weber
François Remmen
Philippe Martinelli
Florkin Marc
Jean-Marie Placais
Yannick Lampure
James Knowles
Ben Paulet
Martin Audran
Richard Wilks
Raymond Riddall
Cláudio Augusto
Gérard Ryon
Dylan Canton
Raul Jereb
Alberto Ibañez
David Jundt
Richard Coxon
Jason White
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Roberto Mello
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Roberto Mello


Number of posts : 54
Age : 30
Location : Brazil
Registration date : 2015-02-13

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David Jundt
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David Jundt


Number of posts : 2647
Age : 34
Location : Binningen, Switzerland
Registration date : 2012-07-14

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I've got some issues with my 717C...

Is the max. lock 16? In the turns, it understeers a lot, even though it feels like I am going slow.

At the same time, the car is VERY unstable when turning in, even for lighter turns. The back end just starts to swing out and you can barely catch it.


Maybe my controller settings? Or maybe the barely touched setup?

Or is the car that much crap it's 5 seconds off-pace?
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Richard Coxon
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Richard Coxon


Number of posts : 16590
Age : 36
Location : Sheffield, England
Registration date : 2012-06-29

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16 degrees is the same throughout the mod unfortunately. As for the handling, I cant help as I've never drove it before.
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James Knowles
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James Knowles


Number of posts : 757
Age : 54
Location : USA
Registration date : 2012-04-16

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David Jundt wrote:
I've got some issues with my 717C...

Is the max. lock 16? In the turns, it understeers a lot, even though it feels like I am going slow.

At the same time, the car is VERY unstable when turning in, even for lighter turns. The back end just starts to swing out and you can barely catch it.


Maybe my controller settings? Or maybe the barely touched setup?

Or is the car that much crap it's 5 seconds off-pace?

David-you know what you are doing sim racing wise. That much I know about you.

Take a spin in Richard's alba-which I find a simple car to drive, adn see what it does for you.

Check the torque/horsepower/weight number on yoyur Mazda. It may be a dog...a rotary powered dog....
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Cláudio Augusto
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Number of posts : 118
Age : 30
Location : Brazil
Registration date : 2015-02-07

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Guys, is it possible to put a friend of mine on the waiting list for this race? His name is Felipe Pasquali. I'm posting for him here, because he's already unable to registrate on the forum, i think he will do it tomorrow.
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James Knowles
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James Knowles


Number of posts : 757
Age : 54
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Pacal....a 1:36.xxx?????

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Raul Jereb
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Raul Jereb


Number of posts : 1490
Age : 50
Location : Rijeka, Croatia
Registration date : 2013-05-28

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David Jundt wrote:

Is the max. lock 16? In the turns, it understeers a lot, even though it feels like I am going slow.

David, try to increase CASTER and youll get more turn in, and try to play arround with TOE IN, youll have more stable entering the corners...

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David Jundt
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David Jundt


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Location : Binningen, Switzerland
Registration date : 2012-07-14

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James Knowles wrote:

David-you know what you are doing sim racing wise. That much I know about you.

Take a spin in Richard's alba-which I find a simple car to drive, adn see what it does for you.

Check the torque/horsepower/weight number on yoyur Mazda. It may be a dog...a rotary powered dog....

Well, I don't drive like a turtle, do I :D (Although controller settings and setups aren't my strong points!)

I checked the stats, but them Alba seems to barely have more power?

Btw: The Mazda only has hard tyres to chose from, the Alba has hards, mediums and softs? Shocked
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James Knowles
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James Knowles


Number of posts : 757
Age : 54
Location : USA
Registration date : 2012-04-16

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[quote="David Jundt"]
James Knowles wrote:


Btw: The Mazda only has hard tyres to chose from, the Alba has hards, mediums and softs? Shocked

Bingo..I think.... :clap:
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David Jundt
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David Jundt


Number of posts : 2647
Age : 34
Location : Binningen, Switzerland
Registration date : 2012-07-14

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Don't tell me the Mazda never had any compound except hard tyres? I thought a works team like Mazda should have enough money to spend them on different tyre compounds.

I guess my affections towards Rotary-powered cars spelled my doom then. 3s slower than Pascal while driving my ass off is too much to overcome.

The Alba also has several engine maps and it's rear wing goes from zero degree to minus two Shocked

@Raul: I'll try. Just have to translate Caster(Nachlauf) to German. Toe In would be Vorspur.
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Richard Coxon
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Richard Coxon


Number of posts : 16590
Age : 36
Location : Sheffield, England
Registration date : 2012-06-29

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Faults of the mod unfortunatley David.
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David Jundt
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David Jundt


Number of posts : 2647
Age : 34
Location : Binningen, Switzerland
Registration date : 2012-07-14

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Richard Coxon wrote:
Faults of the mod unfortunatley David.

About Mazdas only having hards?

Actually, NO car except the Albas have mediums&softs.

There's the patch to ban Q-tyres, can we ban their mediums&soft tyres too? Razz

The Mazda seems a bit lighter than the Albas and it's power(kW) seems only slightly lower.

Pascal's lap must have been mighty since he can't use drive on anything else than hard tyres.

Trying to change caster&toe in, but I haven't found a solution yet(well, I usually don't find one. I don't know what I am doing xD).
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Mike Becnel
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Mike Becnel


Number of posts : 4741
Age : 55
Location : Sugar Land, TX, USA
Registration date : 2012-06-24

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My Porsche has soft and mediums
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Richard Wilks
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Richard Wilks


Number of posts : 2212
Age : 40
Location : Portugal
Registration date : 2015-01-07

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The mazda 717 was a dog of a car in real life . It only had reliability going for it.
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Have some free good car? what's free?  I want to drive, if possible.  

But, I do not regret leave Porsche 936C lol!
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Jacob Fredriksson
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Jacob Fredriksson


Number of posts : 1047
Age : 34
Location : Sweden
Registration date : 2014-01-15

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I'm in.
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David Jundt
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David Jundt


Number of posts : 2647
Age : 34
Location : Binningen, Switzerland
Registration date : 2012-07-14

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Richard Wilks wrote:
The mazda 717 was a dog of a car in real life . It only had reliability going for it.

TBH, all Junior cars are all kinda horrible and understeer a lot :D

But what grinds my gears is that the Albas have the advantage of different compounds. I have to check if it's a big advantage, because if they survive the distance(40 laps should't be too much), they might allow much faster times.


Btw I just checked the URD C81. I think Pascal is gonna win this race, easily.

Why? Well, as opposed to what I said about only the Albas having different compounds, the URD also has softs. No mediums, but softs.

It also blows most Junior cars away, since

1) only the De Cadenet-Lola has near it's power in kW(358 vs 327), everyone else has below 300 kW.
2) It ISN'T A JUNIOR CAR! :doh:

I tested it just now. With 10l and softs tyres, I immediately hit 1:36.6, which is only 3 tenths off Pascal's time on the server.


Why is this car part of the Junior category when it technically never was?

Anyway, guess I'll be spending my time trying as hard as I can to keep up with my little rotary lawnmower.

Next time, I am gonna drive the URD too Twisted Evil
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James Knowles
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James Knowles


Number of posts : 757
Age : 54
Location : USA
Registration date : 2012-04-16

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You do have to do some homework with car selection in this mod...


We are running a 2.4 hour Daytona race using this mod and have appplied something of a driver grading system for car selection.

No aliens in Porsches in C1...and from your findings it looks as if the URD is the hot ticket in C2.

Gotta drive that baby and see what it is about...
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Jason White
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Jason White


Number of posts : 14725
Age : 47
Location : Ferndale, MI USA
Registration date : 2011-12-25

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Looking forward to calling this race today :D

I will also be giving the rolling start instructions, FYI
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James Knowles


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Jason White wrote:
Looking forward to calling this race today :D

I will also be giving the rolling start instructions, FYI

:clap: :clap: :clap:
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Richard Coxon
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Richard Coxon


Number of posts : 16590
Age : 36
Location : Sheffield, England
Registration date : 2012-06-29

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David, in later years the URD became a C2 car (Or a C Junior) in game it has the exact same physics as the later C2 version.

Hence we can put it in C Junior.

If you want to be true to life, the Mazda was classed as a C1 car in 83 at WEC events. Shocked
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Richard Coxon wrote:
David, in later years the URD became a C2 car (Or a C Junior) in game it has the exact same physics as the later C2 version.

Hence we can put it in C Junior.

If you want to be true to life, the Mazda was classed as a C1 car in 83 at WEC events. Shocked

lol!
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David Jundt
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James Knowles wrote:
You do have to do some homework with car selection in this mod...


We are running a 2.4 hour Daytona race using this mod and have appplied something of a driver grading system for car selection.

No aliens in Porsches in C1...and from your findings it looks as if the URD is the hot ticket in C2.

Gotta drive that baby and see what it is about...

I guess so James. But I've had to check like... 4 different mods, this is not all I do in my free time you know!


Also, I found something else that seems strange: The De Cadenet-Lolas(#55A) are not the same. The Le Mans car(#55) has less power(327 kW&415 Nm) than the WEC car(#65, 343 kW&380 Nm).

Maybe the Torque evens it out. But I'd have personally thought that the car would be faster at Le Mans, if at all.


@Richard: So the '83 URD is the same as the '84 URD? Well, that's surely strange... did Virtua LM give them exactely the same physics? Shouldn't that have been different?

I guess ACO and FIA had strange ways to group them, but the URD spits on the Mazda and it's CJ rivals. It just isn't a CJ car.

But I am staying with my opinion about the tyres. The URD and the Albas have an advantage through them.

I just tested the URD with hards and softs(5l fuel, highest rev limit, default setup). I did a 1:37.7 on my first lap on hards while I did a 1:36.2, so I was nearly 1.5s faster on one lap and I even beat Pascal's time in the same car.

Should I congratulate Pascal already? :hihi: :langue:
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#5 Lancia run today? the driver not confirm i can drive this car, or other (whithout confirmation) free?
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Philippe Henrique wrote:
#5 Lancia run today? the driver not confirm i can drive this car, or other (whithout confirmation)  free?

You'll have to wait and see. Only cars declared absent can be claimed before race time.
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