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Rubén Fernández
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Martin Lacina
Jason White
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Jari Bruppacher
Jacob Fredriksson
Richard Wilks
Dana Schurer
Jason Whited
Gérard Ryon
David Jaques
François Remmen
Greg Hunt
David Jundt
Peter Blom
Yves Plaçais
Jonatan Acerclinth
Austin Johnson
Michal Janak
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Raymond Riddall
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Richard Coxon
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I don't believe you can. But someone else may know different.

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why on the shadow i have visor and on the sun no ? :hum:

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Alberto Ibañez
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I think it is too transparent, and therefore you only see it when the light goes down, as under a shadow.

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Timo Vermeersch
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With the Can-Am race in Road Atlanta in mind, I think that passing or lapping cars inbetween Leeukop and The Kink is really not a good idea. The section from Leeukop to The Kink is not long enough to allow the passing car to get entirely past.

To avoid risky situations, the lapped car is obliged to lift, which penalizes it for the remainder of the entire straight.

Waiting till after the Kink allows a clean pass and with some slip stream from the lapped car, really should not cost much time.

Just my 5 cents.

Timo

P.S. I still prefer a 911 over a Stang any day of the week and twice on Sundays Very Happy Smile Cool

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Richard Wilks wrote:
François Remmen wrote:
how about rain?... :D

Buy PCars2 rFactor 2.

Fixed a typing error there.

:hihi:

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Richard Wilks
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David Jundt wrote:
Richard Wilks wrote:
François Remmen wrote:
how about rain?... :D

Buy PCars2 rFactor 2.

Fixed a typing error there.

:hihi:


Only if he wants to play a rain that looks like some old windows 98 game running at 10FPS...

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Richard Wilks wrote:
its Dynamic, it is related with how many laps people clock in.

Yeah just read about it. The track changes with people driving. Though it's not like rfactor 2 or iRacing, where the track gets rubbered in, depending on where on the track people have been driving. Instead here it just rubbers in the ideal line. I don't think that really matters though, as we aren't racing ovals in this series.

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Philippe Martinelli wrote:
Je serai présent dimanche, je confirme Richard Wink

Je ne vois pas mon nom sur la liste des inscrits...

I'm in Wink

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Philippe Martinelli wrote:
Philippe Martinelli wrote:
Je serai présent dimanche, je confirme Richard Wink

Je ne vois pas mon nom sur la liste des inscrits...

I'm in Wink

Thanks for reminding me, sorry i had forgotten to add you :doh:

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Michal Janak
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prety frustrated ATM, times are stil much slower than my PB and my PB is 1 or 2 s behind my target, i cant tune the car properly for my style (or absence of style)

tyres are octagon shape after few laps with brakes on lowest position and trying not to brake , the flatspots are so big that the car jumps in low speeds like the tyre is punctured or flatspots are 5cm deep, i cant imagine ATM how to finish whole race in such a condition :smil20:



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Michal Janak wrote:
prety frustrated ATM, times are stil much slower than my PB and my PB is 1 or 2 s behind my target, i cant tune the car properly for my style (or absence of style)

tyres are octagon shape after few laps with brakes on lowest position and trying not to brake , the flatspots are so big that the car jumps in low speeds like the tyre is punctured or flatspots are 5cm deep, i cant imagine ATM how to finish whole race in such a condition [smiley]https://2img.net/u/2915/69/36/76/smiles/321163.gif[/smiley]

I'm frustrated that I'm not #1, at every track in every car! Lol

I had same problem MJ, all I can offer is to move bias back, and use engine braking/downshifts to help you slow down. Or brake earlier unfortunately. Best to confirm that advice w/a resident alien.

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Michal Janak wrote:
prety frustrated ATM, times are stil much slower than my PB and my PB is 1 or 2 s behind my target, i cant tune the car properly for my style (or absence of style)

tyres are octagon shape after few laps with brakes on lowest position and trying not to brake , the flatspots are so big that the car jumps in low speeds like the tyre is punctured or flatspots are 5cm deep, i cant imagine ATM how to finish whole race in such a condition   :smil20:  

Make sure you have your pedals set correctly. Change your sensitivity settings to give yourself more brake travel. As Brain said brake earlier, you never really want to be at full braking pressure, except for a brief moment when you start braking.

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Alberto Ibañez
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The problem is that we are all used for many years to rFactor, where you see many people in ALL corners locking one or more wheels at the entry, leaving black lines, puffs of smoke, and getting away with it for the whole race. We never were really conscious of how we were treating the tires until we got to the next level in sim fidelity and see why time and time again real drivers talk about "taking care of the tires" and "not pushing too hard to preserve them". You all know that Stewart and Clark, the both genius of that era, were well known for using less tires, brake pads, etc than everyone else, and now that you drive these cars in a more accurate simulation you are starting to understand why. 


Tips: 

- Reduce overall brake pressure (Essential!)
- Move brake bias rearwards 
- Increase rear rebound and front bump in the dampers to ensure smoother and more controlled weight transfer to the front under braking. 

Then, use the rear antiroll bar to regain the balance for cornering. If the car understeers too much, increase front negative toe.

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I can cement Alberto's comments.

While I'm not very fast myself I've not had a single lock-up yet since we went to Kyalami. By braking early and allowing the car to do the work during braking, you will gain a lot of time. I have my RL folkrace to thank for my understanding of the braking, and David Jaques for giving me a few tips when I was struggling with how the car was transitioning its weight. :aie:

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If you are scared entering a corner, you are pushing to hard,
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Alberto Ibañez
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Alberto Ibañez


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:top:

It is important to understand that in the early 70s engine power even if modest by today's standards, still surpassed clearly what tire and aero technology could offer. So you had cars that were heavily biased towards traction, not towards late braking or even quick cornering. The fastest way around a track was to accelerate as quickly as possibly out of the corners, period. And cars were rigged for that. They were understeering bitches at hairpins, and got around them by powersliding out, not by really turning around "on grip". Late braking here is almost useless, you will just drag the nose out - And trail braking too dangerous because you will lose the rear easily when all that rear weight blows to the front under brakes. The correct way around any corner is to brake early and let the nose come up before entering the turn so that you can rotate the car, point it out and then use the gas to control how much more it turns, rather than the steering wheel itself. The car on gas will help you round the corner, not the front wheel grip. You have to powerslide out of it, focus on turn exit and throttle control always, and you will be surprised how quickly you catapult from one corner to the next. 

Also bear in mind the suspension was soft and with lots of travel, so the car moved considerably. You have to allow the car to take a set before initiating any action, otherwise the tires are not yet completely loaded. This is something that many people overlook easily and are puzzled about, the car is not as instantaneous as you would think from an F1, it needs some splits of a second to properly lean on the tires and work them. Try to mentally adjust to that difference, allowing the car to settle by going slightly slower from one action to the next - picture yourself as driving 0.25 of a second ahead of the car, anticipating it.

EDIT: Also, there is one thing you can easily observe in the historic footage: All cars enter understeering into the turns, until at same point close to the apex, they suddenly "flick" and rotate quickly, changing attitude and powersliding out. That point is where the driver started flooring it, and the key is that when arriving there you have lost enough speed, allowed the car to take the set and are ready to transfer weight rearwards powersliding out. If you are too fast there, the car will still understeer under throttle, if you are too slow there, you won't be able to apply as much gas. So work on that point and ignore corner entry until you have that right, the ideal balance at the apex to start powersliding out is the essential driving key here!

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Comment recevoir ou envoyer un set-up lorsque l'on est sur le serveur ?

Merci d'avance

Marcus
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It's nearly the same as in rFactor. Go into the garage and have the setup selected, then on the race monitor page click the ! button and one of them will say Share Setup.

Whereas rFactor would seperate the setups between All Vehicles or Mod type, AMS will seperate them based on specific car. For instance, Jason Whited and I are both driving March 701's for this race, if he sends me his setup, I would have to be in His car to be able to see it. You need to go into the .plr file and find the line called "Relevant Setups" and set it to =0 to be able to see all setups.

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is there any easyapp or hud to show the engine health? i need this to find how to shift down the right way

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Michal Janak wrote:
is there any easyapp or hud to show the engine health? i need this to find how to shift down the right way

the dynhud in AMS Does that if you go to your Automobilista install/plugins/DynHUD/Editor,open the dynhud-Editor.exe,from there you can select edit what you want then save as/original/practice/qualy/race,then in game under settings display i think it is select dynhud original

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Je viens de recevoir un set up de Tom Vermeesch , je l'ai mis dans userdata/Florkin Marc/Setting/Johannesburghistoric/le set up

Rien n'apparait dans le jeu

Que dois je faire d'autres ??

Marcus

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Que me conseillé vous au niveau des réglages :ailerons, pression pneus, amortisseurs et éventuellement boite de vitesse.
Rassurez vous je ne suis pas un danger pour vous, mais j'aimerai quand même améliorer mon chrono
Suspect

Marcus

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The server doesn't seem to want to let me in as a spectator when anyone is one it. I'm just trying to test for the broadcast.

Do I need to change some setting?

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Scott Urick wrote:
The server doesn't seem to want to let me in as a spectator when anyone is one it. I'm just trying to test for the broadcast.

Do I need to change some setting?

Scott, I was driving a 5 laps race session since I couldn't restart weekend by myself..
do try again please..

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I'm in with 2:20 left in practice.

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I wish you all nice race tonight! I would like to to take a look on that Smile will there be any broadcast please?

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