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 F1 1991 - Belgian GP [August 19th]

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Andre Lagunzad
Joel Sixou
Philippe Bousquet
Antoine de Mautor
Vincent Beretta
Jean-François Bovy
David Cid
Yves Plaçais
Karel Marciniszyn
Patrick Marucco
Ben Paulet
finally gone :)
Alessio Campigotto
Jens Kraft
Frank Verplanken
Bernard Jeanmart
JB Massida
Richard Coxon
Mike Becnel
Martin Audran
Kevin Vanco
Florkin Marc
Greg Hunt
Frank Labédan
Philippe Martinelli
Adam Svoboda
David Jundt
Franck Mercurio
Olivier Mathieu
Carl Larrad
Tiago Malafaya
Alberto Ibañez
Francis Houard
Guillaume Siebert
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David Jundt
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David Jundt


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Everywhere lol Razz

You're the opposite of me, you know what to doxD

DO we have to use the realistic gearbox? I think someone mentioned it already...
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Guillaume Siebert
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David Jundt wrote:
What degree of rotation do you normally use with these cars, and how much steering lock?

Anyone running less than 15 wings?

The cars seem to love going straight, but not to turn Razz

Wings around 30 for me.
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David Jundt wrote:

DO we have to use the realistic gearbox? I think someone mentioned it already...

If you don't, the car is a lot slower (less power).
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David Jundt
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I think I use it, but it doesn't feel like I have to lift the throttle to shift down... or do I misunderstand how the gearboxes work in this game?
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Jens Kraft
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Guillaume Siebert wrote:
David Jundt wrote:
What degree of rotation do you normally use with these cars, and how much steering lock?

Anyone running less than 15 wings?

The cars seem to love going straight, but not to turn Razz

Wings around 30 for me.

havent driven yet, expected 5 degrees all around.
is there an explanation why this is so much off the historic values (see cars back then in spa)
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David Jundt wrote:
I think I use it, but it doesn't feel like I have to lift the throttle to shift down... or do I misunderstand how the gearboxes work in this game?

i dont know either.

question one: automatic clutch, f11:
in the 1970wsc it didnt matter at all, i switched it off and expected shifting times to decrease, but seems it only kicks in on spins to "atni-stall". does it do anything to shifting times in f1 91?


two: i have switched off auto lift and auto blip in playier.ini - does this decrease shifting time? gearbox life time? or affect car performance (like gearbox does in car selection menu?)

three: do i have to depress the clutch button on my steering wheel at every shift? i did that in the indy race and hell it was hard stuff. because someone said: not clutching can destroy the gearbox in the race. (maybe auto clutch (f11) will help here? (but didnt help in wsc70).

i think that could answer it all
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Guillaume Siebert
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David Jundt wrote:
I think I use it, but it doesn't feel like I have to lift the throttle to shift down... or do I misunderstand how the gearboxes work in this game?

On most cars, the realistic gearbox option disables autolift and autolift. Only the Ferrari and Williams are different with their semi automatic gearboxes, which have autolift & autoblip.
I dont get your issue with lifting the throttle on downshifts, no car forces you to have 0% throttle on downshifts. scratch

Jens Kraft wrote:

havent driven yet, expected 5 degrees all around.
is there an explanation why this is so much off the historic values (see cars back then in spa)

What historical values ?
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David Jundt
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Did I say lift? I think I meant apply throttle while shifting down. If I don't press any pedal and shift down, it does. Is that right or wrong?

I am not sure.

I haven't changed any settings regarding autoblip anf shift in the inis as I don't know where Razz
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Guillaume Siebert
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Check your PLR file in the Userdata/YourName folder, if you want to drive in the same conditions as on the server, you need to have autoblip and autolift disabled (the line must be "autoblip = 0")
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Jens Kraft
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David Jundt wrote:
Did I say lift? I think I meant apply throttle while shifting down. If I don't press any pedal and shift down, it does. Is that right or wrong?

I am not sure.

I haven't changed any settings regarding autoblip anf shift in the inis as I don't know where Razz

yeah you said lift, i was also confused. so i didnt know what to say.

guilliaume continued confusiontime :D by getting it right on his own but sayiing "autolift and autolift" off lol.

well david, if u havent changed usually the standard is autoblip on, autolift off.

gui, does the server really take autolift and autoblip away? i think it can change many things (like grip, engine ... but also personal input files?)

i have it off anyways. but: do i need to depress the clutch at gear shift(surely it shifts without depressing it, but will that decrease my gearbox life time?)
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David Jundt
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Auto Clutch="1"
Auto Lift="0" // Whether to automatically lift with manual shifting but auto-clutch (non-semiautomatic trans only)
Auto Blip="1" // Whether to automatically blip with manual shifting but auto-clutch (non-semiautomatic trans only)
Shift Mode="0"

I usually don't use the clutch pedal as I just recently changed to be a left foot braker; Before that, I was braking AND accelerating with my right foot alone(!)
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Guillaume Siebert
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The clutch pedal is useless in rFactor anyway, the only risk with autoclutch off is stalling when the car is stopped. Autoclutch is allowed on the server. But autoblip isn't, you should disable it to drive in the same conditions, and then you'll have to keep the throttle open when you downshift.
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Jens Kraft
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i have the authentic manual transmission in the minardi and it autoblips.

guilliaume, is there a mod which requires you to depress the clutch pedal to get the gear in ?
in gpl you need to overstep the clutch threshold.
in nascar2003 you can also cahnge without it and you can destroy that partical gear.

is it here too?
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Guillaume Siebert
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No. There's a plugin that simulates that though, cant remember its name.
And your Minardi autoblips probably because you have autoblip enabled What a Face
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Franck Mercurio
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Je crois que c'est ça:
Grinding Tranny Mod
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Ben Paulet
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C'est le plugin qui est aussi sur HGT 1.9.
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Jens Kraft
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Franck Mercurio wrote:
Je crois que c'est ça:
Grinding Tranny Mod
ccol,

when i drove my renault twingo 1993 with the c06 c3g (1977R4) engine,

the fricking thing wont take shift when i clutch in 2nd in winter lol. but hey, its like the link of Franck says: whenever i pull the gear in and it wont get in, i also need to fully reclutch.

i cant figure why that is, but it seems a common issue in H pattern gearboxes.

all i know there are things like shafts around the gear axles that make the noise, not the teeth of the cogwheel :D


Gui i thought the server switches auto blip off and i think i have it off.

some cars have the clutch connected to the throttle pedal What a Face (invention)
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Carl Larrad
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OMG Gui awesome laptime Cool i think i need help Wink
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Guillaume Siebert
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I'll upload my setup and replay asap (not the 1'51"1 but 1'52"7 with soft tires, which is as good as 1'51"1 with quali tires).
If you want to use the softer qualifying tires, you got to make a very slow outlap to avoid burning your tires before even starting your flying lap.

edit : there you go : ftp://91.121.135.76/setups/rFactor/F1%201991/Spa%201988/GS%20Spa88%20Dallara%201%2052%207.rar
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Jens Kraft
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Carl Larrad wrote:
OMG Gui awesome laptime Cool i think i need help Wink

Smile

we all need help.

:D





and now serious: Press F1 (which is for help) and in rFactor for a practical help Smile




what GUi does is very verysimple:


Right pedal: faster
Left Pedal: slower


Steering wheel: Direction.

Now brake late, accelerate early and dont slide Smile :frank: affraid affraid affraid
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THX Gui I Cant wait to try :drink:
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Bernard Jeanmart
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Tout à fait oublié de faire les qualifs. :doh:
De toute façon, je viens juste de finir la mise au point en Off Line avec une petite course de 25 tours pour assurer le travail :top: , donc pas de regrets pour les qualifs Smile .
Moyenne au tour 2'12" Sleep (ben oui, on m'a encore donné le mulet chez Lotus Suspect )
Quoiqu'il en soit je serais au départ et tout compte fait, je préfère encore partir dernier :antoine: , je collectionne les morceaux qui jonchent la route dans les premiers tours :D . (hehe) :rigol:
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1:51,151 affraid

Raaaaaape

Violllllllllllllllll

Raaaaaaape

Viollllllllllllllll


Here Gui...just take this now :first:
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Guillaume Siebert
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Bernard Jeanmart wrote:
Tout à fait oublié de faire les qualifs. :doh:
De toute façon, je viens juste de finir la mise au point en Off Line avec une petite course de 25 tours pour assurer le travail :top: , donc pas de regrets pour les qualifs Smile .
Moyenne au tour 2'12" Sleep (ben oui, on m'a encore donné le mulet chez Lotus Suspect )
Quoiqu'il en soit je serais au départ et tout compte fait, je préfère encore partir dernier :antoine: , je collectionne les morceaux qui jonchent la route dans les premiers tours :D . (hehe) :rigol:

Hé Bernard c'est la semaine prochaine la course :D
Ce soir c'est Interserie à Silverstone. Si j'ai mis les courses à venir sur la page d'accueil du site c'est pas pour rien. Razz
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Heu avec l'âge la mémoire ça ne s'arrange pas :doh: puis j'étais tellement excité pour rouler à Spa... bounce
Ceci va me laisser beaucoup de temps pour faire évoluer la Lotus :top: mais très peu de temps pour faire un setup qui tient la route pour la Porsche 908/2 surtout à Silverstone Embarassed . Bon, autant pour moi Neutral , il me reste quelques heures pour y arriver.... :D
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