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Vincent Rieux
Steve Parker
Martin Audran
Frank Labédan
Vincent Beretta
Yannick Lampure
Olivier Philipps
Pierre Pfleger
Pierre Labédan
Frank Verplanken
Sasha Sosnowski
Mario Gassner
Gianluca Desposito
finally gone :)
Thomas Cazorla
Ludovic Tiengou
Carl Larrad
Carlo Pozzi
Tiago Malafaya
Alessandro Milano Rossini
Timo Vermeersch
Berkem Ceylan
Guillaume Siebert
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Guillaume Siebert
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Guillaume Siebert


Number of posts : 13827
Age : 37
Location : Paris, France
Registration date : 2008-09-08

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Non non, tu peux meme rater les 2 et démarrer en fond de grille le dimanche Wink
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Thomas Cazorla
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Thomas Cazorla


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Location : Earth Planet, Universe
Registration date : 2008-11-17

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Guillaume Siebert wrote:
Non non, tu peux meme rater les 2 et démarrer en fond de grille le dimanche Wink

PAR-FAIT cheers

Vous êtes trop fort. Punaise j'adore cette période de gloire du CART, tous ces noms me font vibrer.
J'aimerais trop me revoir des redifs de courses, avec les circuits urbains, genre Toronto, Vancouver...

Complet le lien wiki !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_IndyCar_season
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Guillaume Siebert
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Guillaume Siebert


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J'ai toutes les courses (ou presque) de 1985 à 2000 si tu veux (en ricain), chui un gros fan aussi Smile
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Thomas Cazorla
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Thomas Cazorla


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Guillaume Siebert wrote:
chui un gros fan aussi Smile

En effet affraid

C'est ou qu'on passe commande? :D
On en reparle plus tard. dodo :bangry:
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Guillaume Siebert
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Guillaume Siebert


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Par mp si tu veux, je mettrais ça sur notre ftp Wink
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Timo Vermeersch
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Timo Vermeersch


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Age : 55
Location : Brussels
Registration date : 2009-08-11

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Un reportage sur la course real life de 94. A l'américaine, interview, beaucoup de bling bling etc.



Par ailleurs, comment je peux uploader de trucs sur le ftp. J'ai un magnifique reportage sur Gilles Villeneuve (Elkhart 94 était par ailleurs la première victoire de Jacques en CART) que je voudrais partager. Sinon je peux uploader sur Rapidshare mais ils deviennent vraiment chiant ce dernier temps, IMHO.

Timo


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Thomas Cazorla
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Merci Timo :top:

Paul Tracy avec les lunettes de vue ça casse le "mythe" Laughing
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Racing Legend



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PostSubject: Re: 1994 CART Elkhart Lake 200   1994 CART Elkhart Lake 200 - Page 2 Icon_minitimeFri 19 Feb 2010 - 17:07

Pouh c'est bête, j'ai une conversion du circuit de Race On qui est bien plus jolie que cette version là.
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Timo Vermeersch
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Timo Vermeersch


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JP Campmajo wrote:
Pouh c'est bête, j'ai une conversion du circuit de Race On qui est bien plus jolie que cette version là.

Partager? petit Mediafile ou filefront?

Timo
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Il faut que je vérifie si tout fonctionne, ca fait longtemps que j'ai pas testé.
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Carl Larrad
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Carl Larrad


Number of posts : 6751
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Location : Swindon , UK
Registration date : 2008-12-20

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Nice video good win for Villeneuve :top:
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Gianluca Desposito
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Gianluca Desposito


Number of posts : 1303
Age : 48
Location : Naples Italy
Registration date : 2009-09-14

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Nice video, great Jacques! :top:
For the track : for me seems hard to drive on this track without make mistakes! :conduit: :hum:
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Mario Gassner
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Mario Gassner


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Age : 41
Location : Principality of Liechtenstein
Registration date : 2008-11-22

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PostSubject: Re: 1994 CART Elkhart Lake 200   1994 CART Elkhart Lake 200 - Page 2 Icon_minitimeSat 20 Feb 2010 - 15:12

nice vid!

@gui: you are insane! 1.43,0 affraid What a Face Suspect ....puh! what a superb lap! :clap: :cowboy:

i am at 49.2 in race mode, but i don`t think that i will be faster than 46-47 in qualy mode.

regards,
mario
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Carl Larrad
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Carl Larrad


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PostSubject: Re: 1994 CART Elkhart Lake 200   1994 CART Elkhart Lake 200 - Page 2 Icon_minitimeThu 4 Mar 2010 - 0:43

I Love my dURACELL Car but as you know im not very good when it comes to making setups
my main problem is my car swapping ends when changing down through the gears
and also under heavy braking for slow coners ......

On this track there are some long straights with slow bends at the end
and im struggling to get a decent lap in without swapping ends in the car .....

Im happy with my setup other than this problem .....

Any Ideas Wink
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Guillaume Siebert
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Guillaume Siebert


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Make sure you have the autoclutch enabled and your "Auto lift" and "Auto blip" values set on 1 in your .PLR file. I think that's the only gearbox related things you can tweak :hum:
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Carl Larrad
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Carl Larrad


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THX Gui ill give it a try ... :top:
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Ludovic Tiengou
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Ludovic Tiengou


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Location : Grenoble far away from Brittany, France
Registration date : 2008-12-12

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La stratégie ne va pas étre simple simple à mettre au point. 2 ou 3 arrets? Certains tenteront-ils le pari fou d'en faire 4? A priori 2 ca passe mais il faudra bien gerer sa conso car, avec le tour de lancement, la voiture ne diposera que du strict minimum en methanol pour rejoindre l'arrivée.
3 c'est plus sur mais cela fait 20-25 secondes de perdues vis à vis d'un ravitaillement de moins. Il faudra donc rouler environ 2 secondes plus vite que celui qui est derriere soi pour ne pas se faire passer au final. Faisable en roulant avec 4-5 en turbo...mais là c'est le moteur qui va souffrir (surtout sur la bosse à la con de la ligne droite des stands qui te fout au rupteur sans prevenir).
4 c'est se rajouter de nouveau 20 secondes de plus. Il faut donc avoir une sacrée pointe de vitesse pour tenter ce pari un peu fou.
A priori le debut de grille devrait tenter 3 et le fond plutot 2. Mais bon rien n'est absolu et un partant du début de grille pourrait tout à fait tenter 2 arrets et gagner. Mais là encore attention à la conso qui est vraiment limite.

Pour les pneus à priori pas de souci. Les softs tiennent un relais plein sans trop souffrir. Attention tout de même à ne pas faire trop de figures si vous compter faire deux relais. Les pneus ne vont pas aimer et sur les 2-3 derniers tours la voiture va devenir un peu délicate à tenir (surtout dans Carroussel le tres long V7 à la sortie si difficile et dans Kink le virage suivant).

On devrait donc trouver des fenetres probables de ravitaillement entre le 13eme et le 17eme tour. Puis vers le 23eme tour (stratégie à trois arrets). Puis entre le 36eme et le 39eme. Tout cela bien sur si personne ne tente de stratégie décalées
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Guillaume Siebert
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Guillaume Siebert


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First qualifying session has now started ! // La première séance de qualifications a démarré !

:conduit:
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Sasha Sosnowski
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Sasha Sosnowski


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Location : Warsaw, PL
Registration date : 2009-11-15

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Alrighty then, my thoughts on, well, this.

So after giving it every second of the session I had at my disposal, I can safely say I absolutely loathe this machine. To call it a car would be flattery it nowhere near deserves. I don't believe I've ever had the displeasure of driving such a wretchedly awful vehicle before, honest. I find it incredibly annoying to drive and contains no sense of predictability, besides the knowledge that it will be junk this lap as much as the last and will probably be on the next. I did the majority of the session with a half tank of fuel and hards to get to know the car on the track, never above boost three and it was still awful. A switch to softs just made the car worse. It understeers like something I would never expect out of a car that looks like this, with that wonderful touch of unpredicted snap oversteer. Really the best handling combination you want out of a car. To think they really drove these things if they drove like this is impossible and I feel for them if that's the case. I really don't think this creation really represents what they had to drive back then. I couldn't put together a consistant run of laps I expect to do and normally do in my "learning" sessions and I think judging by my other results I can safely say I know a thing or two about making a racecar work. Getting the car to even react like you expect it to setup wise is harder than getting the last tenths/hundreths out of an F1 car. I used Gui's with some tweaks to try to suit it to the Penske, I tried Pierre's (thanks mate) but I really think it's safe to say these cars and me don't mix, don't really like eachother too much. I get zero enjoyment out of driving this and it's all really an experience I feel sad to have had to be honest, lol. I don't consider this "giving up", I'm not being paid to drive by PENSKE, so I'm just relieving myself of the displeasure. To imagine the experience of driving this car for 50 laps in a race situation I can only compare to assigning Ayrton Senna and Alain Prost a group project to prepare on the benefits of banning motor racing in December of 1989. Thanks, but no thanks.

To close, I'll quote beloved Forrest Gump; "And that's all I have to say about that."


Very Happy
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Frank Verplanken
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Frank Verplanken


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Age : 49
Location : Nice, France
Registration date : 2008-09-08

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lol Sasha I feel very much the same. Hotlapping is particularly boring with those cars but I look forward to the race. I had fun in Mid-Ohio just as a racer and was able to put aside what kinda of simracing physics I had between my hands and just enjoy racin' a race. I intend to do the same Sunday Smile .
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Pierre Labédan
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Pierre Labédan


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Age : 71
Location : Nogaro gers
Registration date : 2009-04-29

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Sasha Sosnowski wrote:
Alrighty then, my thoughts on, well, this.

So after giving it every second of the session I had at my disposal, I can safely say I absolutely loathe this machine. To call it a car would be flattery it nowhere near deserves. I don't believe I've ever had the displeasure of driving such a wretchedly awful vehicle before, honest. I find it incredibly annoying to drive and contains no sense of predictability, besides the knowledge that it will be junk this lap as much as the last and will probably be on the next. I did the majority of the session with a half tank of fuel and hards to get to know the car on the track, never above boost three and it was still awful. A switch to softs just made the car worse. It understeers like something I would never expect out of a car that looks like this, with that wonderful touch of unpredicted snap oversteer. Really the best handling combination you want out of a car. To think they really drove these things if they drove like this is impossible and I feel for them if that's the case. I really don't think this creation really represents what they had to drive back then. I couldn't put together a consistant run of laps I expect to do and normally do in my "learning" sessions and I think judging by my other results I can safely say I know a thing or two about making a racecar work. Getting the car to even react like you expect it to setup wise is harder than getting the last tenths/hundreths out of an F1 car. I used Gui's with some tweaks to try to suit it to the Penske, I tried Pierre's (thanks mate) but I really think it's safe to say these cars and me don't mix, don't really like eachother too much. I get zero enjoyment out of driving this and it's all really an experience I feel sad to have had to be honest, lol. I don't consider this "giving up", I'm not being paid to drive by PENSKE, so I'm just relieving myself of the displeasure. To imagine the experience of driving this car for 50 laps in a race situation I can only compare to assigning Ayrton Senna and Alain Prost a group project to prepare on the benefits of banning motor racing in December of 1989. Thanks, but no thanks.

To close, I'll quote beloved Forrest Gump; "And that's all I have to say about that."


Very Happy
sasha i have the same feeling with my car ,impossible to find how to manage a setup :hum:
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Guillaume Siebert
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Guillaume Siebert


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That's weird, I dont feel anything of what you're describing here, I guess you're just not driving the car the way it's supposed to be, very smoothly and cleanly. For sure it's way different to the oversteering beasts like F1 79, WSC70 or GTP where you can exit turns in full powerslides. Here the cars are just not made for that.
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Frank Verplanken
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Frank Verplanken


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Guillaume Siebert wrote:
very smoothly and cleanly
Not fun :langue: :jp:
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Sasha Sosnowski
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Sasha Sosnowski


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Age : 34
Location : Warsaw, PL
Registration date : 2009-11-15

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Yea, I don't know, they just don't suit me. Also before I came here I raced modern F1 cars in leagues for 2 years, they suited me brilliantly so I don't know. I can drive/enjoy the classic beasts, I can drive/enjoy the modern cars that stick and all that, but these, meh, just not in my range. I can drive the car to get a somewhat decent lap out of it but there's no enjoyment in it for me at all.
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Pierre Labédan
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Pierre Labédan


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Age : 71
Location : Nogaro gers
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Guillaume Siebert wrote:
That's weird, I dont feel anything of what you're describing here, I guess you're just not driving the car the way it's supposed to be, very smoothly and cleanly. For sure it's way different to the oversteering beasts like F1 79, WSC70 or GTP where you can exit turns in full powerslides. Here the cars are just not made for that.
c' est certainement ca ,mais ces voitures me donnent l'impression de ne pas etre à l' aise en courbe avec ces successions de sous virages - survirages,peut être faut il les négocier à puissance constante pour éviter ces réactions
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