F1 1991 - Belgian GP [August 19th]

First quali is go

First Qualifying Session :

1 Richard Coxon Williams Renault FW14 1:50,841
2 Guillaume Siebert Dallara Judd D191 1:50,844
3 Lorenzo Arisi Minardi Ferrari M191 1:51,177
4 Gregoire Goissen Benetton Ford B191 1:51,698
5 Franck Labedan Ferrari 643 1:54,013
6 Olivier Philipps McLaren Honda MP4/6 1:54,686
7 Kevin Vanco Leyton House Ilmor CG911 1:54,768
8 Yves Placais Ferrari 643 1:54,921
9 Mike Becnel McLaren Honda MP4/6 1:56,090
10 Gerard Ryon Williams Renault FW14 1:57,213
11 Carl Larrad Dallara Judd D191 1:57,612
12 Frank Verplanken Jordan Ford J191 1:57,792
13 Arnaud Plum Jordan Ford J191 1:58,139
14 Joel Sixou Larrousse Ford LC91 1:58,843
15 Jean-Francois Bovy Ligier Lamborghini JS35B 2:02,135
16 Olivier Mathieu Modena Lamborghini 291 2:04,364
17 Bernard Jeanmart Lotus Judd 102B 2:14,223
18 Jens Kraft Minardi Ferrari M191 2:21,353

8 Yves Placais Ferrari 643 1:54,921
9 Mike Becnel McLaren Honda MP4/6 1:56,090



Nice lap Yves

(but do you REALLY want to be right in front of me at start???) LOL

Very very close between me and Guillaume. See what Saturday brings!

Mike Becnel wrote:

8 Yves Placais Ferrari 643 1:54,921
9 Mike Becnel McLaren Honda MP4/6 1:56,090



Nice lap Yves

(but do you REALLY want to be right in front of me at start???) LOL

Yes !

Richard Coxon wrote:

Very very close between me and Guillaume. See what Saturday brings!

Yeah but I certainly don't have 8 tenths left in my pocket.

Yves Plaçais wrote:

Mike Becnel wrote:

8 Yves Placais Ferrari 643 1:54,921
9 Mike Becnel McLaren Honda MP4/6 1:56,090



Nice lap Yves

(but do you REALLY want to be right in front of me at start???) LOL

Yes !

Guillaume Siebert wrote:

Richard Coxon wrote:

Very very close between me and Guillaume. See what Saturday brings!

Yeah but I certainly don't have 8 tenths left in my pocket.

Maybe but I am not too confident about my race pace. Plus La Source is scary on 1st lap

IMPRSSIVE laptime Lorenzo with your cow

j arrive pas a regler ses voitures et en plus pas la samedi soir , d ailleurs Franck non plus car on sera de soiree ensemble

on verra bien ce que dimanche nous reserve ...

Purée... Y'a les 4 premiers qui nous mettent 3 secondes minimum....et nous !
Enfin, pour l'instant !

Je pensai que c'était demain !!!!

Où ai je la tête ??

J'ai un problème volant G25,il se décentre pendant que je roule(petit à petit?), à la fin je roule avec les bras croisé !!
Avez vous une idée sur le problème??
C'est la fin de mon G25??

Merci d'avance pour votre aide

Votre dévoué

Marc

I think I'll have to try Guillaume's Dallara setup to see where I am, it must be possible to stay below 2 minutes with the Lotus.

EDIT: Just tried the Lotus with the Dallara set and I nearly made it into 1:59. But how I can lose 9 seconds is a misery. The car is so nimble, I am trying to be careful in Eau Rouge but the car gets loose nearly every time, I dunno how I should push.

And my god those kerbs, I spin just by lightly using one.

Looks I'll have to get the Lotus on Friday onto the grid It's also very twitchy when shifting down(although I still didn't have to to use the throttle to shift down, doesn't the server enforce it?).

Marc,

Recalibrate you G25 in windows then remap the wheel in rFactor. That should fix it.

Mike

David Jundt wrote:

I think I'll have to try Guillaume's Dallara setup to see where I am, it must be possible to stay below 2 minutes with the Lotus.

EDIT: Just tried the Lotus with the Dallara set and I nearly made it into 1:59. But how I can lose 9 seconds is a misery. The car is so nimble, I am trying to be careful in Eau Rouge but the car gets loose nearly every time, I dunno how I should push.

And my god those kerbs, I spin just by lightly using one.

If you're not using qualifying tires, there is still 1-1.5s to gain. The Lotus feels alright, its pretty well balanced, it just lacks power and downforce big big time, and over a long lap, that makes a huge gap with the fastest cars.

Hummm looks like Lorenzo has a new contender... and its Brit!
Could Richard be the actual Stig?

David Cid wrote:

Hummm looks like Lorenzo has a new contender... and its Brit!
Could Richard be the actual Stig?

No i dont think so, I suppose i should be that quick im in the best car, So a massive well done to Guillaume and Lorenzo for getting their 'poorer' cars that close to the williams

Yeah but even with fast cars, lots of drivers are way off the pole time, which is a bit worrying if we want to do the full championship next year. I guess the fastest drivers would have to drive very bad cars instead of just average cars like here or at Adelaide.

Guillaume Siebert wrote:

Yeah but even with fast cars, lots of drivers are way off the pole time, which is a bit worrying if we want to do the full championship next year. I guess the fastest drivers would have to drive very bad cars instead of just average cars like here or at Adelaide.

I think this is not a big problem considering the fact, that this is usual in other mods too, moreover there are not that much mods where differences between cars are as big as here. Right setup has huge importance here, so maybe when championship starts and team are estabilished this problem will became smaller as teammebers will share their thoughts about setups for each track...Big advantage is that there will be so much very well know track in season, so learning curve will OK..

About the setup I honnestly don't think they make a big difference, you only have to get the gears and wings right, the suspensions settings don't seem to have a big effect on the cars behaviour. But maybe its just me.

Yes the gaps between cars are big, but it was the same in F1 1979, and guys like Frank, Carl or Yves were not that slow. I can't explain it, these F1 91 cars are much easier to drive in my opinion.

Guillaume Siebert wrote:

About the setup I honnestly don't think they make a big difference, you only have to get the gears and wings right, the suspensions settings don't seem to have a big effect on the cars behaviour. But maybe its just me.

Yes the gaps between cars are big, but it was the same in F1 1979, and guys like Frank, Carl or Yves were not that slow. I can't explain it, these F1 91 cars are much easier to drive in my opinion.

Setups have huge effect in these cars, I noticed that because when tweaking mine, a softer setting in the suspension made my car 1 sec. faster than my previous time.

Also the gap between cars is huge in this mod. Watching the time you made with the Leyton House compared to the Dallara, the difference is 2-3 secs. Imagine the rest

I'm saying that because I couldnt fix the understeer of my Dallara (without making it unpredictable in Eau Rouge), just like I couldn't fix the Lotus rear end in Eau Rouge, or making the Jordan less unpredictable without transforming it in an understeery dog. The cars seem to have a certain behaviour and you cant change it whatever you do. But the cars have so many things you can tweak and such a big ranges of values available that I may not have the perfect setup. That's also why it'd be interesting if everybody shared their setups on the ftp .

Guillaume Siebert wrote:

The cars seem to have a certain behaviour and you cant change it whatever you do.

I agree and that's a good thing. The setup seems to only affect the speed that the cars can take a corner, and it is in that matter that the setup can make the difference. Of course I didn't explore the setups to exhaustion but already found some changes in some specific parameters

what I experienced is that ride height has huge effect...if you hit right values for a track you get pretty drivable and fast car in turns and on bumps...but if you cannot find the right values and right ration between front and rear then the cars is nervous and unpredictable...here in Spa it is a question...as setup it for eau roughe cannot gives you good feeling in "ordinary" turns...

content de voir que je suis pas le seul à ramer
même si je suis parmi ceux qui rament hard

bien difficile le retour avec ces engins
la Ligier donne l'impression de ne pas tourner, ou alors uniquement par petits coups, avec l'arrière qui sautille dès qu'on tourne trop le volant, on dirait
les freinages sont souvent surprenants aussi, "flottants" je dirais, même si la voiture en général a l'air ultra rigide...
l'Eau Rouge passe bien en revanche, avec juste un petit décrochage au changement de cap et la voiture sans direction pendant une fraction de seconde... gérable

n'empêche j'ai pris mon pied hier en qualif, it's good to be (almost) back !