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 Round 3 - Kyalami [Mar. 1st]

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Mick Chapman
Tomáš Matoušek
Vaclav Burda
Bruno Chacon
Frank Verplanken
Greg Hunt
Honza Mild
Michal Janak
Andre Cunha
Adam Hackman
Florkin Marc
Antonio Atzeni
Steve Parker
Paulo Rodrigues
Vadim Taciak
Dan Faas
Petr Hlavac
Gérard Ryon
Paul Velasco
Claudio Navonne
Karel Marciniszyn
Gabriele Del Piccolo
Vladislav Zenkov
Mario Gassner
Mike Becnel
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Mike Becnel
Racing Legend
Mike Becnel


Number of posts : 4741
Age : 55
Location : Sugar Land, TX, USA
Registration date : 2012-06-24

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Honza Mild wrote:
I will be there :yaa:  (hope for session change...)

Please test it on server!!
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Honza Mild
Pro Driver
Honza Mild


Number of posts : 534
Age : 48
Location : Czech republic, South Bohemia
Registration date : 2009-11-04

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Mike Becnel wrote:
Honza Mild wrote:
I will be there :yaa:  (hope for session change...)

Please test it on server!!

How? when i was alone at server, it was impossible change session.
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Greg Hunt
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Greg Hunt


Number of posts : 4322
Age : 40
Location : HOSSEGOR
Registration date : 2010-03-25

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Dan Faas
Club Driver
Dan Faas


Number of posts : 58
Age : 33
Location : Wisconsin, USA
Registration date : 2019-11-25

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The top hotlaps are nearly 3 seconds faster than the real life qualifying laps! Its crazy how much altitude affects engine power (which isn't modeled in RF2)
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Paul Velasco
Experienced Driver
Paul Velasco


Number of posts : 260
Age : 63
Location : Berlin
Registration date : 2020-01-01

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Dan Faas wrote:
The top hotlaps are nearly 3 seconds faster than the real life qualifying laps! Its crazy how much altitude affects engine power (which isn't modeled in RF2)
My time is on the HSO Kyalami server with heavy rubber
I have not run it at the 1979 F1 server yet
Just so you know. Not sure I can do 8s on a green track....
And BTW I have always believed that this version of Kyalami is two seconds 'too fast' if you know what I mean
On another note: The Renault turbos at high altitude were bullets...
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Frank Verplanken
League Owner
Frank Verplanken


Number of posts : 13574
Age : 48
Location : Nice, France
Registration date : 2008-09-08

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Yes, with dynamic weather implemented one would have thought it wouldn't have been too hard to add altitude into the equation :smil20: . Would be easy enough to do a patch with diminished engine performances now that I think of it. But then it would give the Renault yet even more of an edge, so maybe it's for the best ;p
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Mario Gassner
Experienced Driver
Mario Gassner


Number of posts : 306
Age : 41
Location : Principality of Liechtenstein
Registration date : 2008-11-22

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Frank Verplanken wrote:
Yes, with dynamic weather implemented one would have thought it wouldn't have been too hard to add altitude into the equation :smil20: . Would be easy enough to do a patch with diminished engine performances now that I think of it. But then it would give the Renault yet even more of an edge, so maybe it's for the best ;p

Frank, go for it! cheers :yaa: Smile
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Dan Faas
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Dan Faas


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Frank Verplanken wrote:
Yes, with dynamic weather implemented one would have thought it wouldn't have been too hard to add altitude into the equation :smil20: . Would be easy enough to do a patch with diminished engine performances now that I think of it. But then it would give the Renault yet even more of an edge, so maybe it's for the best ;p

Well if all engine power was reduced across the board then it wouldn't really matter. From what I understand since turbo pressure vs altitude really isnt implemented it would just reduce the turbo engines power the same as it would the regular engines.
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Frank Verplanken
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Frank Verplanken


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On the contrary : a turbocharged car is less affected by altitude as you can increase your boost to make up for the lowering of the atmospheric pressure. With an "atmo" engine (no turbo or compressor) you don't have that option Wink.
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Frank Verplanken
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Mario Gassner wrote:
Frank, go for it! cheers :yaa: Smile

Too short notice for this year's Kyalami race :p. But while we're in the accuracy business regarding patches we might as well edit the reliability values, in which case you Renault guys might not be so hot to have a patch anymore I think :D !
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Mario Gassner
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Mario Gassner


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Location : Principality of Liechtenstein
Registration date : 2008-11-22

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Frank Verplanken wrote:
Mario Gassner wrote:
Frank, go for it! cheers :yaa: Smile

Too short notice for this year's Kyalami race :p. But while we're in the accuracy business regarding patches we might as well edit the reliability values, in which case you Renault guys might not be so hot to have a patch anymore I think :D !

Stop it right now ;-)
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Frank Verplanken
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Frank Verplanken


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lol!
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Dan Faas
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Number of posts : 58
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Registration date : 2019-11-25

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Frank Verplanken wrote:
On the contrary : a turbocharged car is less affected by altitude as you can increase your boost to make up for the lowering of the atmospheric pressure. With an "atmo" engine (no turbo or compressor) you don't have that option Wink.

I totally agree, but from what I understand atmospheric pressure vs boost pressure isnt modeled in rfactor 2.
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Bruno Chacon
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Bruno Chacon


Number of posts : 476
Age : 64
Location : Brazil
Registration date : 2017-03-08

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Frank Verplanken
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Frank Verplanken


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Dan Faas wrote:
Frank Verplanken wrote:
On the contrary : a turbocharged car is less affected by altitude as you can increase your boost to make up for the lowering of the atmospheric pressure. With an "atmo" engine (no turbo or compressor) you don't have that option Wink.

I totally agree, but from what I understand atmospheric pressure vs boost pressure isnt modeled in rfactor 2.

I yes OK right we were at cross purposes there. What I meant is it would be easy to make a patch that deprives the Renault from, say, 7.5% of its power, while at the same time downgrading the non-turbos by 15%. Just using random numbers here but you see what I mean Wink. That would simulate the effect of altitude or rather its outcome I guess.
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Dan Faas
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Dan Faas


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Totally agree Frank. I like the idea of patching this mod at some point. i have tried to contact the mod authors about some of my critiques (no adjustable boost pressure is the big one) and no response unfortunately.
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Frank Verplanken
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Frank Verplanken


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I know they are very busy with several projects simultaneously, one of which is a v2.0 for this mod so we'll see what that adds to the mod. The numerous car upgrades like in the original mod would also be a nice thing to have.
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Paul Velasco
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Paul Velasco


Number of posts : 260
Age : 63
Location : Berlin
Registration date : 2020-01-01

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Maybe you can remove my time at the top of the standings because it was set in different conditions and different server
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Frank Verplanken
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Done Wink
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Paul Velasco
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Paul Velasco


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Merci.
It seems that not much difference in track...
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Vaclav Burda
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Confirmation :conduit:
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Tomáš Matoušek
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Registration date : 2016-11-15

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I am not able to participate in the qualification but I should be able to start the race.
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Mick Chapman
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Location : Wales/Pays de Galles
Registration date : 2014-01-04

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Gio Nuvoli
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Gio Nuvoli


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Location : Italy
Registration date : 2020-01-26

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Yep, will be on track, maybe at the very last moment but i will.
The Ensign will not be left to gather dust,
cheers
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Dan Faas
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Dan Faas


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Unfortunately, I had family come into town at the last moment so I will not be available for the race.
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