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 Round 3 - Indianapolis 500 [May 21st] POSTPONED

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Petr Hlavac
Raymond Riddall
Greg DellaCella
David Jaques
Steve Parker
Grant Riddall
Michael Drechsler
Lee Simpson
David Jundt
François Remmen
Adam Hackman
Alberto Ibañez
Raul Jereb
Jan Kowalski
Bruno Chacon
Bob Holada
Jacob Fredriksson
David Sabre
Peter Blom
Richard Coxon
Matthew Hull
Yves Plaçais
Martin Lacina
Rob Swindells
Juha Bos
Dana Schurer
Pascal Mikula
Jason Fitch
Jason White
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Raul Jereb
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Raul Jereb


Number of posts : 1490
Age : 50
Location : Rijeka, Croatia
Registration date : 2013-05-28

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Well, i think the main problem is that this "lag" problem is not something consistant, at least in my case..

For me, all worked well until last start, and then all went to hell.. cars dissapearing etc...

So, was it on my end? I dont know since all sessions up until now (and in other series) worked fine..

I suggest, if there is any rF connection settings that could be manualy set up, and that are in common to all of us, maybe you post here the parameters, so we at least annulate that (but Im far from expert in this, so maybe this what I said is bollocks)..

Once again, we shouldnt acusse anybody too easy, it is very difficult and hard call to bail out being 100% sure it is your and only yours fault.. I speak in my behalf, before all.. giveing up, on event like this, without being sure why, it is very hard..

Maybe, just maybe, it would be wise to make a short, but must-attend test race prior to the real thing (wasnt I anoying you with this in Cart1998???) just to see how things are resolving..

And finaly, as much as I know you think its waste of time, Jason, Richard, Alberto, Ben, and all involved, dont look at it that way.. Its frustrating, for us "consumers" and Im sure 10000 times more for you, but after all, we hanged out, had some parade laps, and I had fun.
Once again, I had really big nervous butterflys in my stomach (specialy after being pointed out as a critical driver scratch ), and that is the main thing Im here among all of you.. I hope it can put some comfort to you..
And thank you for that.. I love you! :langue:

See you on track soon!
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Peter Blom
Pro Driver
Peter Blom


Number of posts : 818
Age : 42
Location : Amsterdam
Registration date : 2012-11-01

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shame what happenend tonight but I'm sure the reschedule is a good decision by the HSO admins. If I can be at help for a testnight or something then just say the word I'll be there Wink
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Raul Jereb
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Raul Jereb


Number of posts : 1490
Age : 50
Location : Rijeka, Croatia
Registration date : 2013-05-28

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Peter Blom wrote:
shame what happenend tonight but I'm sure the reschedule is a good decision by the HSO admins. If I can be at help for a testnight or something then just say the word I'll be there Wink

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Jason Fitch
Pro Driver
Jason Fitch


Number of posts : 664
Age : 44
Location : Frankfort, IN
Registration date : 2015-04-18

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Everybody just needs to calm the hell down, wait about 24 hours before posting something you'll regret.

 The Race has been postponed so whatever happened during this aborted attempt means nothing.
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Richard Coxon
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Richard Coxon


Number of posts : 16590
Age : 36
Location : Sheffield, England
Registration date : 2012-06-29

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Bruno you did hit several cars, on your end though it was probably fine. But it wasn't.

We will be posting in the future regarding when we shall run this race.

Thank you.
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Bruno Chacon
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Bruno Chacon


Number of posts : 476
Age : 64
Location : Brazil
Registration date : 2017-03-08

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Matthew Hull wrote:
Bruno Chacon wrote:
Matthew Hull wrote:
If you can't see the field or have lag due to your internet, you shouldn't be racing. Simple as. Absolutely farcical, got plowed into in the middle of a caution twice by Chacon!!! The second of which ended the race for about 7 of the field.


Pay attention Matthew Hull, because my car was not damaged any time and for me, I did not hit anyone. You sure it was me that hit you?
You were leaving a queue behind me.

I think several people can verify that it was you who plowed through the field.

I looked at the replay and it certainly looked like your car.

Okay, it would be interesting if someone confirmed this, because my car did not suffer any damage.
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Jason White
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Jason White


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Location : Ferndale, MI USA
Registration date : 2011-12-25

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If you guys think you are disappointed by this evening, you should try being an admin in this situation.

We're not going solve this tonight, and we will need to take a step back when we aren't so hot and look at the situation.  In the meantime, let's refrain from arguing about it on the forum -- or at least confine messages of that type to PMs.
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Bruno Chacon
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Bruno Chacon


Number of posts : 476
Age : 64
Location : Brazil
Registration date : 2017-03-08

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Richard Coxon wrote:
Bruno you did hit several cars, on your end though it was probably fine. But it wasn't.

We will be posting in the future regarding when we shall run this race.

Thank you.

If I hit someone, I apologize, because I did not suffer any damage in my car and I positioned myself at the end of the grid just to avoid accidents.
I have a fiber optic internet with a speed of 200mb and I do not think the problem was only with who was from Brazil. I saw participants from europe claiming the same problems.
I've been participating in several races here and on other servers outside Brazil and I've never had connection problems.
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Raul Jereb
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Raul Jereb


Number of posts : 1490
Age : 50
Location : Rijeka, Croatia
Registration date : 2013-05-28

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Bruno Chacon wrote:

I have a fiber optic internet with a speed of 200mb and I do not think the problem was only with who was from Brazil. I saw participants from europe claiming the same problems.
I've been participating in several races here and on other servers outside Brazil and I've never had connection problems.

As Jason said, lets let things cool down.. everybodys ichy now, but finaly, no progress in that.
You can only provoke some tensions which are not needed.. Nobody needs it now..
The only real damage is hours of preparations admins took to make this race happen (and other races), so we should really let them run the word! And give them support.
Everything other than that leads nowhere...


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Michael Drechsler
Pro Driver
Michael Drechsler


Number of posts : 671
Age : 45
Location : Aachen, Germany
Registration date : 2016-03-11

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Kinda happy we're done for tonight. Wasn't fun at some point anymore. I don't mind the fact it usually takes more than one attempt until we get the big races going, but this time was a complete farce, and I was about to call it a day, if the admins hadn't already decided to pull the plug. Did we even have a full lap under green? Evil or Very Mad

Nonetheless, I appreciate all the team's efforts, and hope we can finish this off some day. To bad about all the work that went into it. Still I'm pretty miffed right now...


...BTW, what was going on at the first start? Everything looked fine, except for Ben not pulling away?
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Richard Coxon
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Richard Coxon


Number of posts : 16590
Age : 36
Location : Sheffield, England
Registration date : 2012-06-29

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That was the issue, Some people started racing and chaos ensued. Crashes happened.

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Michael Drechsler
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Michael Drechsler


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Location : Aachen, Germany
Registration date : 2016-03-11

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Ah, okay. From my position, one is a bit secluded about what's going on in the rest of the field... Wink
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David Jundt
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David Jundt


Number of posts : 2647
Age : 34
Location : Binningen, Switzerland
Registration date : 2012-07-14

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*Just sits there*


Awww Sad
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Raul Jereb
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Raul Jereb


Number of posts : 1490
Age : 50
Location : Rijeka, Croatia
Registration date : 2013-05-28

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Michael Drechsler wrote:

...BTW, what was going on at the first start? Everything looked fine, except for Ben not pulling away?

Well, there was a crash at T1 I was involved in, but it was not my fault, I swear!!! Somebody from ROW 3 or 4 lost the car and collected few of us.. And we (row 4-5) started to race after GREEN LIGHT was showed, so I think there was no problem with that, unless GREEN LIGHT was not the code name for punching it!

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Jari Bruppacher
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Number of posts : 88
Age : 34
Location : Switzerland
Registration date : 2015-12-20

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Michael Drechsler wrote:
Kinda happy we're done for tonight. Wasn't fun at some point anymore. I don't mind the fact it usually takes more than one attempt until we get the big races going, but this time was a complete farce, and I was about to call it a day, if the admins hadn't already decided to pull the plug. Did we even have a full lap under green? Evil or Very Mad

Nonetheless, I appreciate all the team's efforts, and hope we can finish this off some day. To bad about all the work that went into it. Still I'm pretty miffed right now...


...BTW, what was going on at the first start? Everything looked fine, except for Ben not pulling away?

Yeah the pace car forgot to pull in and then we still got the signal to go green.
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Rob Swindells
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Number of posts : 101
Age : 43
Location : Bristol, UK
Registration date : 2017-02-01

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Thanks for persevering, thanks for organising and hosting. Looking forward to the next race!
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Steve Parker
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Steve Parker


Number of posts : 2000
Age : 64
Location : England uk
Registration date : 2008-12-22

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Peter Blom wrote:
shame what happenend tonight but I'm sure the reschedule is a good decision by the HSO admins. If I can be at help for a testnight or something then just say the word I'll be there Wink


+1 had no lag at all during the entire races,so not sure what the lag problem is scratch
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Yves Plaçais
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Yves Plaçais


Number of posts : 1981
Age : 63
Location : Angers, France.
Registration date : 2008-12-18

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Steve Parker wrote:
Peter Blom wrote:
shame what happenend tonight but I'm sure the reschedule is a good decision by the HSO admins. If I can be at help for a testnight or something then just say the word I'll be there Wink


+1 had no lag at all during the entire races,so not sure what the lag problem is scratch

+1 scratch
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Pascal Mikula
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Pascal Mikula


Number of posts : 1189
Age : 23
Location : Classic Motorsport Hub
Registration date : 2016-01-04

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Yves Plaçais wrote:
Steve Parker wrote:
Peter Blom wrote:
shame what happenend tonight but I'm sure the reschedule is a good decision by the HSO admins. If I can be at help for a testnight or something then just say the word I'll be there Wink


+1 had no lag at all during the entire races,so not sure what the lag problem is scratch

+1 scratch
Same here :smil20:
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Richard Coxon
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Richard Coxon


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Location : Sheffield, England
Registration date : 2012-06-29

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Not everyone had lag. We acknowledge that and knew that. The issue was some people had lag and were as a result crashing into others. Such as when cars just drive through the field crashing into people. In their screen all is okay, but obviously they have had lag.

I had non, but saw several cases of people who did.
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It's Indianapolis, everything can happen. But I didn't do the same as Kevin ''koooooooogan'' did at start in 1982. lol! lol!
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Alberto Ibañez
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Alberto Ibañez


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The issue was some people had lag and were as a result crashing into others. Such as when cars just drive through the field crashing into people. In their screen all is okay, but obviously they have had lag.

Exactly. Nobody did anything intentionally or even by negligence - there was huge lag for some people and cars appeared and dissapeared intermitently. A different matter is if those people should have quit instead of sticking to a situation that was bound to cause problems. 

There are several reasons that might have caused this weird lag, we will investigate. The internet attacks in the previous week for sure have not helped, the server OS might have been autopatching or doing who knows what.
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Jacob Fredriksson
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Jacob Fredriksson


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Location : Sweden
Registration date : 2014-01-15

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For me, it was like in Phoenix. Laggy with a full field of cars, but not with those cars who were nearest to me. So those I was bound to battle, no problems. And whenever the field would get decimated, all would be fine. At Phoenix, it was fine when the field got down to about 21-22 cars.

However, I've seen that kind of lag before with any other mod, here or at other leagues. F1 1978, BTCC and so on, no problems whatsoever.
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Yves Plaçais
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Yves Plaçais


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Location : Angers, France.
Registration date : 2008-12-18

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Ok, des pilotes étaient victimes de lag, ok.

Mais la première chose à faire en piste quand on a du lag, c'est rester à vitesse constante sur une trajectoire en général inoccupée (à indy, c'est facile : 100MPH largement en dessous de la ligne jaune), en espérant de ne pas toucher et croiser les doigts et serrer les fesses en attendant que cela aille mieux. Quitte à passer pour un vieux con que je suis, mais en 98 sous GPL, le lag était notre lot quotidien et on arrivait à peu près à le gérer, quitte à faire une croix sur la course du soir en se déconnectant s'il n'y avait aucune amélioration.

Hier soir, trois ou quatre fois durant la procédure de départ ou lors de drapeaux jaunes, j'ai vu dans mes rétros arriver des voitures à fond de cale et j'ai du jouer les toréros en donnant un coup de volant pour qu'il m'évite, sans doute, parce qu'il ne me voyait pas. Le pompon eut lieu juste avant un restart où une caisse a carrément fait un strike mettant un terme à quatre ou cinq caisse d'un seul coup, dont moi.

Et globalement, je déplore toujours beaucoup trop de prises de risques, notamment lors de tentatives de dépassements entamées tardivement et beaucoup trop proche de l'entrée des virages, style "piquer au freinage"... à Indy, c'est à mon sens insensé.
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Ben Paulet


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Location : Cagnes sur mer France
Registration date : 2009-07-29

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Just to be clear, I didn't forget to pit, there was a misunderstanding about numbers of formation laps that I had to do in order to let enough time to drivers who got a penality, to purge it and join back their rows before the green flag.
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