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| Round 2 - Grande Prêmio do Brasil [Jan 22nd] | |
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+39Jukka Närhi Jason White Alex Riolo Alberto Ibañez Cláudio Augusto Ben Paulet Sky Willis Guillaume Siebert Rossetti Paolo Greg Hunt Pascal Mikula Vincent Beretta Steve Parker Paulo Rodrigues Brian Janik Jason Fitch Sebastian Vignone Petr Hlavac Raul Jereb Mick Chapman Arpad Vincze Didier Conjeaud Florkin Marc Gabriele Del Piccolo Juha Bos Raymond Riddall François Remmen Martin Lacina David Jundt David Jaques Michael Drechsler Michal Janak Emmanuel Haas Gérard Ryon Yves Plaçais Jonatan Acerclinth Jan Kowalski Ludovic Tiengou Richard Coxon 43 posters | |
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Florkin Marc Pro Driver
Number of posts : 846 Age : 71 Location : Liège-Belguim Registration date : 2008-11-18
| Subject: Re: Round 2 - Grande Prêmio do Brasil [Jan 22nd] Tue 24 Jan 2017 - 0:15 | |
| Honte à moi, tellement heureux de terminer une course depuis plus d'un an en F1, que je n'ai pas vu Acerclinth Jonatan me passer pratiquement sur la ligne d'arrivée ! Félicitation pour ce champion Suédois; il en voulait dans le dernier tour, j'ai regardé le replay, je ne me suis rendu compte de rien ! J'aurai mieux fait de regarder dans mes rétros ! Pour Didier qui était à côté de moi au départ, j'ai compris son problème; il a anticipé le départ ! Je l'ai vu démarré assez tôt, et la voiture devant moi ne bougeait pas, donc j'ai attendu pour partir. A mon avis la cause de son retrait:départ volé, on le voit sur le replay. Félicitations à tous,particulièrement à Greg, et une pensée pour mon coéquipier,qui a été touché à l'arrière (d'après ce que j'ai lu) et qui n'a pas pu se battre pour le poduim Marcus _________________ | |
| | | Greg Hunt Racing Legend
Number of posts : 4322 Age : 40 Location : HOSSEGOR Registration date : 2010-03-25
| Subject: Re: Round 2 - Grande Prêmio do Brasil [Jan 22nd] Tue 24 Jan 2017 - 7:28 | |
| first of all , apolozise to everyone for the " move " in the tchat during the race @ Pascal It s not the first time that you block me or try to challenge me when I come for to lap you . What happened Sunday evening was totaly uncorrect attitud from you, more specialy because this was made intentionaly . indeed , after to have watch the incident on the replay ( race timer : start 58 min.03 s / end : 59min 42 s ) I have decided to watch your personal movie and what I Have listen on , is just a shame !!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF3ddlMae_c timer incident : START : 1 h 17 min 45 s / END : 1 h 19 min 30 s " Jesus fuck " when I lapped ... but more more worst , just after " SORRY DAVID NOW YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN " traduction pour les francais en gros " désolé David , j ai fait tout ce que j ai pu pour le bloquer , maintenant tu es seul " This is just unacceptable because , this show clearly that your attitud was intentional and in total opposite of HSO SPIRIT ! I don t will speak a lot about your " yeah I move but your are not fast enough " before in the lap ... what a joke , give me your car and I will show you "if I m not fast enough "...!!!! after yes with the larousse and less wings than you( 28/30) I was btw 15 and 20 KMH slower than your Mclaren car on the straight , what i can do against that ? NOTHING !!! and think about , If" Im not fast enough" as you said for you let me pass when I come for to lap you with the larousse , imagine how your are so slow with your Mclaren . last point , I hope sincerely that david has no report in this incident ... end of incident for me . Anyway I want believe that you are an correct and kind man , so if i can I will give you an advice Pascal . F1 1991 cars and races need a lot of concentration , so of my point of view you can t drive seriously and concentrate you as it s necessary , and at the same time made a movie about your face , your race and comment everything ( it s just my point of view I repeat ) try to race without (movie , comments , followers )in your head , and for sure you will improve your driving skill , your level and you will enjoy it more . YOu have to be at your maximum concentration by respect for other guys around you you are a good commentator , F1 78 last year , BTCC this year But does not do both at the same time ( just advice if i can ) sorry for my not perfect english my race report later see ya _________________ | |
| | | Yves Plaçais Racing Legend
Number of posts : 1981 Age : 63 Location : Angers, France. Registration date : 2008-12-18
| Subject: Re: Round 2 - Grande Prêmio do Brasil [Jan 22nd] Tue 24 Jan 2017 - 10:06 | |
| - Florkin Marc wrote:
- Pour Didier qui était à côté de moi au départ, j'ai compris son problème; il a anticipé le départ !
Oui, c'est vrai, maintenant que tu le dis, Marc, je me souviens avoir vu de derrière, de loin derrière(!), une tache rouge (la voiture, pas le pilote.... quoique sur ce coup là ! ) hoqueter de quelques centimètres avant le feu vert ! Didier, tu peux d'ailleurs le vérifier de visu sur le replay : à 7min02sec, comme sur la copie d'écran. Ah, c'est pour ça, Didier, que j'ai réussi à te doubler si facilement deux tours plus tard ! _________________ | |
| | | Didier Conjeaud Club Driver
Number of posts : 166 Age : 64 Location : Toulouse, France Registration date : 2011-12-12
| Subject: Re: Round 2 - Grande Prêmio do Brasil [Jan 22nd] Tue 24 Jan 2017 - 13:40 | |
| Yves, marc, J'ai bien sur revu le replay hier soir et compris pourquoi j'avais une pénalité. Par contre je n'ai pas mon propre replay et c'est bien dommage parce que je pense quand même (m^me si je n'y connais rien dans ce domaine) qu'il y a eu un souci de synchronisation ou quelque chose comme ça. Parce que comme vous le savez, depuis plus de 15 ans........je n'en suis pas à mon premier départ ......et la on me voit partir trés largement en avance plusieurs secondes avant tout le monde, ce qui ne me ressemble pas......d'autant plus que partant 19eme, je n'avais pas planifié de gagner 10 places avant le premier virage. Ne devrait on pas remettre un tour de formation pour que tout se "calle" bien ? En tous cas, je prendrais un départ trés trés sécurisé la prochaine fois. NB: sinon si quelqu'un sait comment on purge une pénalité ?...merci d'avance. _________________ | |
| | | Guillaume Siebert League Owner
Number of posts : 13827 Age : 38 Location : Paris, France Registration date : 2008-09-08
| Subject: Re: Round 2 - Grande Prêmio do Brasil [Jan 22nd] Tue 24 Jan 2017 - 13:56 | |
| Il me semble que dans le menu du pitstop (l'endroit où tu règles ce qui va être fait sur ta voiture pendant le pitstop) tu as une option à activer pour indiquer que tu vas faire ta pénalité et non un pitstop. | |
| | | Florkin Marc Pro Driver
Number of posts : 846 Age : 71 Location : Liège-Belguim Registration date : 2008-11-18
| Subject: Re: Round 2 - Grande Prêmio do Brasil [Jan 22nd] Tue 24 Jan 2017 - 14:03 | |
| Pénalité= un tour de piste en courant à pieds ! lol Parfois il suffit de repasser dans les stands en roulant,mais d'autres que moi devrait la savoir Marcus _________________ | |
| | | Guillaume Siebert League Owner
Number of posts : 13827 Age : 38 Location : Paris, France Registration date : 2008-09-08
| Subject: Re: Round 2 - Grande Prêmio do Brasil [Jan 22nd] Tue 24 Jan 2017 - 14:09 | |
| Il me semblait bien avoir écrit un truc là dessus : http://historicsimracing.123.st/t40-petits-trucs-sur-rfactor-tips-for-rfactor | |
| | | Yves Plaçais Racing Legend
Number of posts : 1981 Age : 63 Location : Angers, France. Registration date : 2008-12-18
| Subject: Re: Round 2 - Grande Prêmio do Brasil [Jan 22nd] Tue 24 Jan 2017 - 16:48 | |
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| | | Didier Conjeaud Club Driver
Number of posts : 166 Age : 64 Location : Toulouse, France Registration date : 2011-12-12
| Subject: Re: Round 2 - Grande Prêmio do Brasil [Jan 22nd] Tue 24 Jan 2017 - 16:51 | |
| Merci Guillaume pour ces infos précieuses Il s'agissait donc bien d'un drive through......qu'en plus j'aurai pu faire plein pot puisqu'il n'y a pas de limite de vitesse dans les stands .... ......alors que j'ai misé sur un stop and go..... Suite à Imola... _________________ | |
| | | Didier Conjeaud Club Driver
Number of posts : 166 Age : 64 Location : Toulouse, France Registration date : 2011-12-12
| Subject: Re: Round 2 - Grande Prêmio do Brasil [Jan 22nd] Tue 24 Jan 2017 - 16:55 | |
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| | | Guillaume Siebert League Owner
Number of posts : 13827 Age : 38 Location : Paris, France Registration date : 2008-09-08
| Subject: Re: Round 2 - Grande Prêmio do Brasil [Jan 22nd] Tue 24 Jan 2017 - 17:00 | |
| Les drive through doivent être effectués à 100km/h dans toutes les courses HSO, voir le premier post d'une course | |
| | | Ludovic Tiengou Racing Legend
Number of posts : 2986 Age : 56 Location : Grenoble far away from Brittany, France Registration date : 2008-12-12
| Subject: Re: Round 2 - Grande Prêmio do Brasil [Jan 22nd] Tue 24 Jan 2017 - 17:01 | |
| - Didier Conjeaud wrote:
- Merci Guillaume pour ces infos précieuses
Il s'agissait donc bien d'un drive through......qu'en plus j'aurai pu faire plein pot puisqu'il n'y a pas de limite de vitesse dans les stands .... Ben non Drive Through : If a driver has to do a drive through, even if there is no pit lane speed limit, he has to drive through the pitlane at 100km/h max (60mph). If he doesn't respect this, he will get a 30s penalty at the end of the race. Dixit le reglement. pas plus de 100 kmh _________________ | |
| | | Didier Conjeaud Club Driver
Number of posts : 166 Age : 64 Location : Toulouse, France Registration date : 2011-12-12
| Subject: Re: Round 2 - Grande Prêmio do Brasil [Jan 22nd] Tue 24 Jan 2017 - 17:07 | |
| Va falloir que je révise..... .... _________________ | |
| | | Pascal Mikula Racing Legend
Number of posts : 1189 Age : 24 Location : Classic Motorsport Hub Registration date : 2016-01-04
| Subject: Re: Round 2 - Grande Prêmio do Brasil [Jan 22nd] Tue 24 Jan 2017 - 17:09 | |
| - Greg Goissen wrote:
- first of all , apolozise to everyone for the " move " in the tchat during the race
@ Pascal
It s not the first time that you block me or try to challenge me when I come for to lap you .
What happened Sunday evening was totaly uncorrect attitud from you, more specialy because this was made intentionaly .
indeed , after to have watch the incident on the replay ( race timer : start 58 min.03 s / end : 59min 42 s ) I have decided to watch your personal movie and what I Have listen on , is just a shame !!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF3ddlMae_c
timer incident : START : 1 h 17 min 45 s / END : 1 h 19 min 30 s
" Jesus fuck " when I lapped ...
but more more worst , just after " SORRY DAVID NOW YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN "
traduction pour les francais en gros " désolé David , j ai fait tout ce que j ai pu pour le bloquer , maintenant tu es seul "
This is just unacceptable because , this show clearly that your attitud was intentional and in total opposite of HSO SPIRIT !
I don t will speak a lot about your " yeah I move but your are not fast enough " before in the lap ... what a joke , give me your car and I will show you "if I m not fast enough "...!!!!
after yes with the larousse and less wings than you( 28/30) I was btw 15 and 20 KMH slower than your Mclaren car on the straight , what i can do against that ? NOTHING !!!
and think about , If" Im not fast enough" as you said for you let me pass when I come for to lap you with the larousse , imagine how your are so slow with your Mclaren .
last point , I hope sincerely that david has no report in this incident ...
end of incident for me .
Anyway I want believe that you are an correct and kind man , so if i can I will give you an advice Pascal . F1 1991 cars and races need a lot of concentration , so of my point of view you can t drive seriously and concentrate you as it s necessary , and at the same time made a movie about your face , your race and comment everything ( it s just my point of view I repeat ) try to race without (movie , comments , followers )in your head , and for sure you will improve your driving skill , your level and you will enjoy it more . YOu have to be at your maximum concentration by respect for other guys around you
you are a good commentator , F1 78 last year , BTCC this year But does not do both at the same time ( just advice if i can )
sorry for my not perfect english
my race report later
see ya "Sorry David, now you're on your own" My god, do you really think I held you up on purpose? Wow really. Really. Jesus. And I thought I had a bad sense of humor and sarcasm. Also, you were not fast enough. You clearly saw that on the straight I was way faster and I was chasing someone else too so I didn't want to give up too much time. But you know what, screw it, I'm suspended for Imola anyways and that's really just ridiculous. I'm honestly SO close to quitting it all together. | |
| | | Alberto Ibañez Racing Legend
Number of posts : 16788 Age : 121 Location : International Simracing Organisation Registration date : 2010-09-17
| Subject: Re: Round 2 - Grande Prêmio do Brasil [Jan 22nd] Tue 24 Jan 2017 - 17:31 | |
| Pascal your suspension is not just for holding Greg, please read it carefully. Greg has done a quite moderate and polite post here, giving you some advice when he could have been much angrier than that. - Quote :
- do you really think I held you up on purpose?
Your comment initially indicates so, and if that is not the case it is YOUR responsability to apologize and make it clear to Greg. - Quote :
- Also, you were not fast enough. You clearly saw that on the straight I was way faster and I was chasing someone else too so I didn't want to give up too much time
I understand your comment as a car comparison, it is obvious to anyone from here to the most distant star in the universe that Greg is a much faster driver than you, so I think this is just language barrier getting in the way. Please discuss this with Greg per PM and clarify things. I don't think there is bad intention from you, but explaining it helps more than acting as offended. Right now, it is Greg who has the right to feel offended, even if you did not mean any harm. _________________ | |
| | | David Jundt Racing Legend
Number of posts : 2647 Age : 35 Location : Binningen, Switzerland Registration date : 2012-07-14
| Subject: Re: Round 2 - Grande Prêmio do Brasil [Jan 22nd] Tue 24 Jan 2017 - 18:47 | |
| - Greg Goissen wrote:
last point , I hope sincerely that david has no report in this incident ... I was alone in my own TS channel("Dallama") and had no contact to anybody. Also: Why would I stay right to leave the door open at the Senna-S and let you through on your first overtaking attempt if I was that hellbent on keeping second place? Whatever Pascal(I don't mean that in a bad way Pascal!) does is on his own responsability. Actually, I felt a bit bad for him as he was stuck behind me on much fresher tyres and I wasn't catching these other lapped cars that quickly. But yeah Greg, no more chatting please At an oval race, this could have led to people forgetting to turn and crashing into the wall @Jason: These graphics and the presentation(Track map, Top Ten Qualifiers) are awesome by the way, I like it! _________________ Murray: "JUNDT'S OFF-TRACK AGAIN!" Martin: "That's a replay Murray, he's not even in the race anymore." | |
| | | Greg Hunt Racing Legend
Number of posts : 4322 Age : 40 Location : HOSSEGOR Registration date : 2010-03-25
| Subject: Re: Round 2 - Grande Prêmio do Brasil [Jan 22nd] Thu 26 Jan 2017 - 11:04 | |
| No news from Pascal here or by PM ... - Pascal Mikula wrote:
Also, you were not fast enough. You clearly saw that on the straight I was way faster and I was chasing someone else too so I didn't want to give up too much time. But you know what, screw it, I'm suspended for Imola anyways and that's really just ridiculous. I'm honestly SO close to quitting it all together. I gave you explication on my previous post ( Larousse car 20 kmh less on the straight than your Mclaren car with more wings ) so think about a little bit , it s sure I can t lap you on the straight and more specialy if you stay on full throttle like how you did . if you wouldn t let me pass , you had to push away BEFORE RECEIVE A BLUE FLAG INSTRUCTION ( and you can t say " i didn t know you were behind me and close the gap" ) because with your dashbord like " F1 2075 YEAR " on your screem , you knew so good I closed gap ( of course this want mean I was much faster than you ) anyway , the rules is VERY CLEAR , if you receive a blue flag instruction , you don't have THINK ABOUT , you move out of the way " and or " you let pass !!! that s all !!I will repeat me stop to think about , blue flag is an INSTRUCTION !! it s the same for everyone , me include !! _________________ | |
| | | David Jaques Pro Driver
Number of posts : 512 Age : 43 Location : Canada Registration date : 2013-03-28
| Subject: Re: Round 2 - Grande Prêmio do Brasil [Jan 22nd] Thu 26 Jan 2017 - 15:56 | |
| I asked pascal to not reply on the forum for a while to cool down and not respond with anger. hopefully that was a good idea, but i am the reason why there was no reply so please dont call out pascal for not answering.
we had a good chat, reviewed the replay from different angles and in the end, i believe came to a better understanding of racing at HSO. ultimately it will be up to pascal how to drive in the future, but i have high hopes that he can make the adjustments necessary to find his place. please give it a fair chance is all i ask.
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regarding the blue flag incident, cars should certainly yield and facilitate a pass where possible and safe, but i for one dont want to see cars jumping out of the way or slowing on the straights. i also realize other cars are having their own battles, and it might take a little patience.
greg, maybe i got this wrong and if i do disregard, but based on the text chat and the timing of the message, my interpretation is that you had some frustration already brewing by that point in the race. if any of that is frustration with the car, dont be. everyone can see you are performing magic with a car that has no business running as fast as you are driving it.
dave
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| | | Richard Coxon Racing Legend
Number of posts : 16590 Age : 37 Location : Sheffield, England Registration date : 2012-06-29
| Subject: Re: Round 2 - Grande Prêmio do Brasil [Jan 22nd] Thu 26 Jan 2017 - 16:05 | |
| If Pascal wants clarification from the admin. We will happily explain our decision and offer advice,me just has to ask either myself or Jason for a chat.
The matter is closed in my opinion. If Pascal and Greg want to sort it out via PM, that is their choice.
I am not describing details in public what happened, or what we saw and the minor details of why he got the penalties. The forum is not the place to do so. _________________ | |
| | | Pascal Mikula Racing Legend
Number of posts : 1189 Age : 24 Location : Classic Motorsport Hub Registration date : 2016-01-04
| Subject: Re: Round 2 - Grande Prêmio do Brasil [Jan 22nd] Thu 26 Jan 2017 - 16:43 | |
| As David said, we had a chat yesterday and cleared things there, had some practice on defending and attacking for places, etc. you name it.
Greg, I apologize for having stayed in front of you for that amount of time, I realized that I could have given you more than enough space to pass me on Turn 1 and I really did not mean to "block" you. Regarding that, your "translation" into French has a part in it where it says "I've done everything I could to block you", which is not true at all. I'd like to ask you to remove that part of your translation as it is what you interpreted into it.
On the Janak move, I failed to realize how close he was at said time and I braked too much and probably also too late to avoid a collision.
That's all I have to say regarding the incidents and I'm looking forward to being allowed to drive again at Monaco.
PS: Sorry for still posting about this topic, Richard, I planned on doing this yesterday but personal circumstances led to me not being able to do so.
See you at Monte Carlo. | |
| | | Richard Coxon Racing Legend
Number of posts : 16590 Age : 37 Location : Sheffield, England Registration date : 2012-06-29
| Subject: Re: Round 2 - Grande Prêmio do Brasil [Jan 22nd] Thu 26 Jan 2017 - 16:49 | |
| No problem Pascal. See you at Monaco _________________ | |
| | | Greg Hunt Racing Legend
Number of posts : 4322 Age : 40 Location : HOSSEGOR Registration date : 2010-03-25
| Subject: Re: Round 2 - Grande Prêmio do Brasil [Jan 22nd] Thu 26 Jan 2017 - 18:16 | |
| - Pascal Mikula wrote:
Greg, I apologize for having stayed in front of you for that amount of time, I realized that I could have given you more than enough space to pass me on Turn 1 and I really did not mean to "block" you. Regarding that, your "translation" into French has a part in it where it says "I've done everything I could to block you", which is not true at all. I'd like to ask you to remove that part of your translation as it is what you interpreted into it.
apologies accepted Pascal end of story for me _________________ | |
| | | Greg Hunt Racing Legend
Number of posts : 4322 Age : 40 Location : HOSSEGOR Registration date : 2010-03-25
| Subject: Re: Round 2 - Grande Prêmio do Brasil [Jan 22nd] Thu 26 Jan 2017 - 20:03 | |
| - David Jaques wrote:
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greg, maybe i got this wrong and if i do disregard, but based on the text chat and the timing of the message, my interpretation is that you had some frustration already brewing by that point in the race. if any of that is frustration with the car, dont be. everyone can see you are performing magic with a car that has no business running as fast as you are driving it.
Hi David you are totaly right , of course I was frustrated and I'm frustrated and I will be frustrated . I don t have problem to finish 2 nd or 3th or more .... I just want to have possiblity to fight for pole and win , and I can t , so how you can imagine this is so frustrating . I m a competitor , I m a fighter , and every lap I give everything . I work very hard to try to find the ultimate limits of my car and set up, every race , This requires enormous personal investment , for exemple ( around 17 hours preparation for phoenix and around 13/14 hours for interlagos ) and at this end when you are 7 th on the grid with more 1 second slower than pole and you finish 2 nd of the race at more than 33 second of the leader , yes this is so frustrating for me . more specialy when as you told , the winner ( you ) have begin really his préparation only the saturday afternoon ... me too I would love to can jump on the car and directly made good laptimes and just enjoy driving ,but unfortunately it s not possible I watched interlagos replay, and you know David, you won with 33 s ahead of me, but as I saw, you drove very cautiously, relax, brake early, without pressure ... and if You would it , you could finish with more 1 min ahead. It was difficult for you ? no / Have you been threatened ? no / Did you had challenger ? no I don t want people think that I'm pretentious , or I want play the " king " , sore loser or whatever you want , no Im not like that and who really know me , know that . I just love racing and battle , and yes of course I want to win , as I said before , I work very hard and do everything for to be the fastest and if i can t win, I Just want to have possibility to fight for pole and win , that s all _________________
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| | | Michal Janak Racing Legend
Number of posts : 1082 Age : 51 Location : Brno, Czech Republic Registration date : 2010-03-25
| Subject: Re: Round 2 - Grande Prêmio do Brasil [Jan 22nd] Thu 26 Jan 2017 - 20:49 | |
| Greg Goissen:
i understand you
i still wait a years to be again on podium, no luck or ability now, the 2nd place on start is the best here after year after return to the PC simulation world and best 5th place at the race end. i spend many, many hours try to setup car for Qualify, no luck to finaly tune it for race, so i was teribly slow in 1st half of the race, at the end i finaly set the mixture to max , i opted for C on front and D on back the pit i didnot went well because didn hit pit request and let it switch automaticaly on pit entry and then changed the front tyres to C because stupid rf pit menu is not offering the same tyre combination as is stored in assigned setup, but i forgot that auto pit menu will cost me more time in pit (i was here 12s and other about 6 but i cant change the tyres compound on the rack in full pace )
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| | | David Jundt Racing Legend
Number of posts : 2647 Age : 35 Location : Binningen, Switzerland Registration date : 2012-07-14
| Subject: Re: Round 2 - Grande Prêmio do Brasil [Jan 22nd] Sat 28 Jan 2017 - 19:02 | |
| _________________ Murray: "JUNDT'S OFF-TRACK AGAIN!" Martin: "That's a replay Murray, he's not even in the race anymore." | |
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