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Petr Hlavac
Michal Janak
Alberto Ibañez
Gérard Ryon
Raul Jereb
Yves Plaçais
Steve Parker
Bruno Chacon
Jason Whited
Michael Drechsler
Dave Miller
Juha Bos
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Juha Bos
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Juha Bos


Number of posts : 1687
Age : 35
Location : Belgium
Registration date : 2016-05-11

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2.41 on my first lap, 2.38.8 on the 5th, and could do a 2.37 without too much effort.

Raul Jereb wrote:
And now.. I cant blame setup, that is one thing sure, so, I tried several driving tehniques, not that Im mastering any, but keeping this vehicle under control brought out all I got.. and Im totaly lost. I cant accelerate, I cant brake, I cant go straight nor into turns.. Im all over the place....

You can't brake: problem with brake bias.
You can't accelerate: problem with your right foot.
You can't go straight: buy a new wheel. :rigol:

Like Tiff says, it has a tendency towards POWER OVERSTEEEEEEER. :D



Remember it's basically a road car, don't drive the hell out of it, easy does it. It doesn't have many setup options but playing with them does help to make it more comfortable.

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Raul Jereb
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Raul Jereb


Number of posts : 1490
Age : 48
Location : Rijeka, Croatia
Registration date : 2013-05-28

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Came down to 2:43...
some setup options tested.. still, Im sooooo incosistent...

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Steve Parker
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Steve Parker


Number of posts : 2000
Age : 63
Location : England uk
Registration date : 2008-12-22

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Raul Jereb wrote:
Came down to 2:43...
some setup options tested.. still, Im sooooo incosistent...

These cars you need to Brake in a straight line,and accelerate when the car is straight,or as Juha said you will get power oversteer on corner Exit Or if you brake mid corner the car will spin :D Better to coast the corners on 50% throttle or less and no brakes

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Michal Janak
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Michal Janak


Number of posts : 1077
Age : 49
Location : Brno, Czech Republic
Registration date : 2010-03-25

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my problem is lack of power of FF on wheel

and big unstability on braking , so in every lap i get cut warning and lap uncounted, what surprised me is this cut and uncounted lap when go at T1 few centimeters from pitwall,

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Jason White
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Jason White


Number of posts : 14725
Age : 45
Location : Ferndale, MI USA
Registration date : 2011-12-25

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Server is now up.

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Jason White
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Jason White


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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar Challenge Spa [Oct 21st]   Jaguar Challenge Spa [Oct 21st] - Page 2 Icon_minitimeThu 18 Oct 2018 - 2:35

FYI -- we are encountering the same track condition issue we had with Silverstone -- meaning it jumps from medium back to light inexplicably.  So we will take the same action we did at Silverstone and simply lock the track condition at medium.

Also, to ensure there are no start issues, we will be conducting the pace lap Can-Am style, with no pace car and an admin saying "GREEN FLAG" in chat after one pace lap.

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Alberto Ibañez
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Alberto Ibañez


Number of posts : 16788
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Location : International Simracing Organisation
Registration date : 2010-09-17

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What's up with the server? Did some laps, went out , came back and now I get "join timed out" even if using correct password, not spectating etc  scratch

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Alberto Ibañez
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Alberto Ibañez


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Age : 119
Location : International Simracing Organisation
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Never mind, works now  bounce

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Alberto Ibañez


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Location : International Simracing Organisation
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Well I can't for my life keep the car on track for more than two laps in a row, and I'm so far off the pace it is almost ridiculous, so I'm calling it a day. Prefer to let the car free for someone else with more skills than me  Embarassed

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Martin Lacina
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Martin Lacina


Number of posts : 475
Age : 41
Location : Czech Republic
Registration date : 2016-02-16

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Can i take Alberto's car?

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Jason White
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Jason White


Number of posts : 14725
Age : 45
Location : Ferndale, MI USA
Registration date : 2011-12-25

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Martin Lacina wrote:
Can i take Alberto's car?

ok

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Yves Plaçais
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Yves Plaçais


Number of posts : 1981
Age : 61
Location : Angers, France.
Registration date : 2008-12-18

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Ne tenez pas compte de mon 2 30 xxxx geek , j'ai raté le freinage de l'arrêt du bus (mon chat m'a sauté dessus ! affraid ), je l'ai court-cuitée :doh:  !

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Michal Janak
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Michal Janak


Number of posts : 1077
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Location : Brno, Czech Republic
Registration date : 2010-03-25

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Prety interested in setup here and replay of lap around 2 35 , i cant believe in laps 2:30 , incredible

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Richard Coxon
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Richard Coxon


Number of posts : 16590
Age : 35
Location : Sheffield, England
Registration date : 2012-06-29

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Michal Janak wrote:
i cant believe in laps 2:30 , incredible

Don't believe in them, Yves said above that he missed the bus stop chicane on that lap by accident.

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Jason White
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Jason White


Number of posts : 14725
Age : 45
Location : Ferndale, MI USA
Registration date : 2011-12-25

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Server is now set for today's race.

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Jonatan Acerclinth
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Jonatan Acerclinth


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Location : Gräv, Sweden
Registration date : 2012-12-10

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I will create the broadcast in a few moments. Just got home from todays refereeing

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if you are bored entering a corner, you aren't pushing enough,
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Jonatan Acerclinth


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Broadcast available here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7KFtiNEhaY

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If you are scared entering a corner, you are pushing to hard,
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Raul Jereb
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Raul Jereb


Number of posts : 1490
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Location : Rijeka, Croatia
Registration date : 2013-05-28

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I will most likely miss the qualis, or come very tight.. can I start the race from the back of the grid?
thanks

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Jonatan Acerclinth


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Raul Jereb wrote:
I will most likely miss the qualis, or come very tight.. can I start the race from the back of the grid?
thanks
That shouldn't be a problem I don't think.

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Jason White


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Location : Ferndale, MI USA
Registration date : 2011-12-25

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Thank you once again Jonatan for broadcasting  :hello:

EDIT:  Results and points are up

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Raul Jereb


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So, I was first to quit, so Im first to comment??

I had two wonderfull warmup laps :D :D :D :D ...aaaaand.... well, thats about it.
I did what I practice a lot not to do: I got feeling that I have confidence in the car. Bam, first lap, first turn. Ok, second.

The whole event was resolving opposit of what I expected. First a great dealay from my behalf to enter qualis, then, when finaly getting there (10min before end), a 600+ sec tow back to pits without even entering track.. Ok, it is not so big deal, but it shaked me a bit...

Then delay of the race... no need to appologies, it didnt even stress me so much, but I was waited for, and id just added a drop of the comments and looks I didnt needed atm, but not from you..
Once again, my appologies for intruding the race procedure with stupid comment, it wasn't ment to add any more tension on admins, just some valve let of some steam from me..

And finaly, the Albertos curse!!! "You have 3 min to crash!" and I was thinking in myself "YOU WISH ALBERTO, YOU WISH" Smile It was in good spirits, but I really planed to finish the race.

And then, during two wonderfull laps, my car felt great, finaly, I though, I can feel it, it goes where and how I want..
and the car said: :langue: :langue: :langue: :langue: :langue: :langue: :langue: :langue: :langue: :langue: :langue:

Soooo... the Jag vs Raul story continues.. or not.. well see...

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Matthias Weber
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Matthias Weber


Number of posts : 520
Age : 38
Location : Remscheid, Germany
Registration date : 2013-08-06

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Well, my first Race with AMS and also first with that Jaguar.

From P5 to P5, I think my race was ok, but I also believe that I'll never fall in love with that car scratch

Amazing laptimes from Austin, David and Yves - they know the trick to drive that thing.

Don't know if I'm able to race again in Gold Star, again very clean and nice fights, had a lot of fun. :top:

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Juha Bos


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Registration date : 2016-05-11

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After an abysmal performance at Silverstone earlier this year I wasn't hoping for much with this car, but I decided to give it another try. It seems I got to grips with it because I qualified on the second row. It was either that or the home advantage was boosting me.

My start at the first attempt was a good one and I held my place. Unfortunately I messed up the rerun by spinning at La Source and I had to climb back from 14th. Not to be outdone on home soil I started carving my way through the field which took me passed Jason, Mick and Dave. Michal was a tougher nut to crack and it took me a while to get by, not realising I'd given him a tap in the process. Next up was Petr, whose car was about three times as wide as mine. Each time I got a better exit, Petr was right where he should be (or not be, in my case). After some brave/banzai/suicidal moves I finally managed to outbrake him at La Source. With three laps to go I started to chase the other Jason whose tyres had seen better days. I got very close until he had a huge moment through Blanchimont and I didn't dare to get closer out of fear of being collecting by his potential accident. He kept it on the black stuff and beat me for 7th place by about half a second.

Not as good a result as it could have been but great fun nonetheless. :top:

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Richard Coxon


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Matthias Weber wrote:
Well, my first Race with AMS

Does this mean we will see you in more AMS races?

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Well, was hoping for a Gold Star point or two here, and chances were good given the pace I seemed to have, but it was not to be.

In quali, I put down a few laps and opted out of the final minutes. I needed a bite to eat and a bit of rest. Stepped away P4 and came back P6. No worries though, I was content with the starting position and [wrongly] assumed attrition would probably be a factor.

After the delayed start (nice work under pressure HSO team!) I was fairly settled in and the usual pre race nerves were buried quite deep. However, that all lasted no more than a few seconds after the start!

At the green flag I got a bit bogged down. I was too close to the car ahead, and got a bit of jump on him, but didn't want to overtake before S/F so I lifted, then really bogged.
At La Source, I was very cautious not to turn in too far. I knew a couple cars had their nose in there, and I wasn't about to chance it that early.

Martin got a nice run and we headed down the hill side by side, neither of us willing to lift out, so we reach eau rouge together affraid
I did what I could, gave the room I could...ended up in the grass at Raidillon, but I had backed out a bit by then. I knew I quite close to disaster, but I managed to hold it together, though I lost quite a few positions on the straight as I'd lost all my speed trying not to die at Raidillon!

Slowly managed to reclaim a spot or two. That all ended when I hit P7, with Steve directly ahead of me.
We spent most of the race nose to tail...
Steve, that was a hell of a driving effort! I was doing all I could to pressure, try to force a slight mistake. Nothing else I could do, had a run a few times but it wasn't enough.
I spent quite a bit of time on the ragged edge, dipping the nose in, trying to fill mirrors....but apparently either A - Steve has no mirrors, or B - Steve simply didn't care that I was there and was just ignoring all my efforts to announce myself. Either way, really nice work under that kind of pressure :clap:

Toward the end, Juha caught back up. Like he said, my tires were gone by then. It was all I could do to keep it on the black stuff. Another lap or two and I'd probably have lost P7, just didn't have the tires left to do anything at all (besides slide around)

It was a really enjoyable run, lot of good, clean racing.
And I tell ya what....I'm a bit disappointed I couldn't put together a decent enough run to grab a point or two here, but if I'm going to lose, I can't think of better drivers I'd rather lose to. The effort many here put in to prepping for the races ...hundreds of laps many times! ...I love the challenge and I love racing with you guys!

Grats to the front runners, awesome pace up there!

Also, big thanks to the broadcast team....watching the broadcast a good wind down after the race. Great stuff, as always.

See ya next time :yaa:

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