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Cedric Elan Rookie
Number of posts : 31 Age : 34 Location : france Registration date : 2009-07-18
| Subject: Re: 200 Millas de Buenos Aires 1970 Sat 18 Jul 2009 - 22:15 | |
| oups désoler le pire c'est que c'est marqué | |
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Ludovic Tiengou Racing Legend
Number of posts : 2986 Age : 56 Location : Grenoble far away from Brittany, France Registration date : 2008-12-12
| Subject: Re: 200 Millas de Buenos Aires 1970 Sun 19 Jul 2009 - 20:33 | |
| Je devrais en etre meme si je n'ai pas la moindre idée de la voiture que je prendrais | |
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Ludovic Tiengou Racing Legend
Number of posts : 2986 Age : 56 Location : Grenoble far away from Brittany, France Registration date : 2008-12-12
| Subject: Re: 200 Millas de Buenos Aires 1970 Mon 20 Jul 2009 - 17:09 | |
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Frank Labédan Racing Legend
Number of posts : 1043 Age : 57 Location : france - Landes Registration date : 2008-10-28
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Ludovic Tiengou Racing Legend
Number of posts : 2986 Age : 56 Location : Grenoble far away from Brittany, France Registration date : 2008-12-12
| Subject: Re: 200 Millas de Buenos Aires 1970 Mon 20 Jul 2009 - 22:27 | |
| Gui tu peux me dire merci. Durant ma seance j'ai fait à un moment un 2.06.11...mais en coupant la chicane à fond . Je me suis dit "va raler le pere Guillaume. Il va falloir qu'il efface manuellement ce temps qui ne correspond à rien" :raclure: . Du coup je me suis decarcassé comme un fou pour que tu ais le moins de boulot possible. Qu'est ce que l'on ferait pas pour aider les jeunes Résultat 2.05.85...avec le plein (si si..120L dans la Lola) . En tout cas merci Cedric pour tes conseils sur la facon d'aborder le double droit du fond du circuit. J'ai gagné pas loin de trois secondes sur un tour pour le coup Par contre comment ce fait il que l'on ne voit pas les voitures utilisés sur le hotlap? | |
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Guillaume Siebert League Owner
Number of posts : 13827 Age : 38 Location : Paris, France Registration date : 2008-09-08
| Subject: Re: 200 Millas de Buenos Aires 1970 Mon 20 Jul 2009 - 22:36 | |
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Cedric Elan Rookie
Number of posts : 31 Age : 34 Location : france Registration date : 2009-07-18
| Subject: Re: 200 Millas de Buenos Aires 1970 Mon 20 Jul 2009 - 22:57 | |
| euh, tu as fais mieux guillaume avec une autre auto il me semble... non mais la chance du débutant on connais... pour l'instant c'est de la qualif, du tour rapide, mais quand on va arriver sur le terme, distance/endurance c'ets aps le même car comme j'ai dis dans ma présentation, je suis un habitué si je peu me permettre, des course sprint donc des setup qui tue les pneus ect... la course, la vrai, il faut savoir rouler pareil avec un setup plus endurant tout en restant régulier, c'est la qu'on rigole... ou pas. enfin je vous apprend rien | |
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Ludovic Tiengou Racing Legend
Number of posts : 2986 Age : 56 Location : Grenoble far away from Brittany, France Registration date : 2008-12-12
| Subject: Re: 200 Millas de Buenos Aires 1970 Tue 21 Jul 2009 - 21:14 | |
| Bon mon hotlap est obsolete. Petit changement dans le differentiel et sur les BAR...une seconde de gagnée. J'ai été très surpris de "trouver" un 2.04.8 toujours avec mes 120L (enfin moins il devait me rester 100L à ce moment là ). Va peut etre falloir que je prenne une 3L finalement pour rester à ma place (loin à l'arriére du peloton) . Parce que là, à voiture equivalent, ne prendre que 3 secondes sur Guillaume c'est louche (j'ai tout de meme pris 14 secondes en 79 ) | |
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Ludovic Tiengou Racing Legend
Number of posts : 2986 Age : 56 Location : Grenoble far away from Brittany, France Registration date : 2008-12-12
| Subject: Re: 200 Millas de Buenos Aires 1970 Tue 21 Jul 2009 - 22:10 | |
| Bon ben un 3L ca changera pas grand chose. 2.05.3 avec la Ferrari et un potentiel 2.04.9 (me suis raté dans la derniere portion..comme souvent) Je pige pas bien comment je fais pour ne pas me prendre plus de temps sur les gros là (seulement 6 secondes sur un circuit aussi long ET avec un 3L) Bigre le choix du chassis va pas étre simple du coup | |
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Guillaume Siebert League Owner
Number of posts : 13827 Age : 38 Location : Paris, France Registration date : 2008-09-08
| Subject: Re: 200 Millas de Buenos Aires 1970 Tue 21 Jul 2009 - 22:14 | |
| Essaye une 908 je suis sur que ça va te plaire | |
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Carl Larrad Racing Legend
Number of posts : 6751 Age : 59 Location : Swindon , UK Registration date : 2008-12-20
| Subject: Re: 200 Millas de Buenos Aires 1970 Wed 22 Jul 2009 - 0:36 | |
| Is there anyone who does'nt want to drive a 917 as this is all i see when i go online i was wondering if anyone had tried or likes the Alfa 33 .... You no how i like to be different | |
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Guillaume Siebert League Owner
Number of posts : 13827 Age : 38 Location : Paris, France Registration date : 2008-09-08
| Subject: Re: 200 Millas de Buenos Aires 1970 Wed 22 Jul 2009 - 1:04 | |
| Yes the Alfa 33 is great to drive, and actually it's the fastest car on this track (the 917 is a real dog in turns) But i'll choose something slower for the race | |
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Carl Larrad Racing Legend
Number of posts : 6751 Age : 59 Location : Swindon , UK Registration date : 2008-12-20
| Subject: Re: 200 Millas de Buenos Aires 1970 Wed 22 Jul 2009 - 8:04 | |
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Ludovic Tiengou Racing Legend
Number of posts : 2986 Age : 56 Location : Grenoble far away from Brittany, France Registration date : 2008-12-12
| Subject: Re: 200 Millas de Buenos Aires 1970 Wed 22 Jul 2009 - 11:46 | |
| I've done the whole test of all 3L cars. Well here my impressions: -Alfa: a great car, powerful enough to beat a 5L, very fast (2.04.7..my best of all including 5L) and quite nimble. BUT it can be a hard time to drive on endurance. The 6 gears box gives me some surprises especially in the last part of the track. The car was also known for his lack of reliability (can be a problem in loooong races if the simulation is accurate in term of mechanical breakdowns). For those who want the performance...but be carefull on the lengh of a race. -Matra: well despise his magnific sound, I don't like really this car. I'm very slow with it (best at 2.07.5..wich is my worst time). The high rev of the engine aren't easy to master for me (don't find the optimum use of the engine). Otherwise a safe car..sometime a bit tricky on brakes . A good choice otherwise on the duration -Ferrari: a fast car not far away from the Alfa (2.05.1). Quite easy to drive but found one big default. The visibility from the cockpit is very poor and can be a great disavantage in the last section as you don't really see the apex. So go sometime the car wild. A distinct trouble in endurance as you can spin every lap in the slow section of the track. Something to remember on a 3 hours race. Ferrari on that era were also prone to mechanical problems -Porsche: well it's the average car. Not really fast (2.06.01) but quite easy to drive. It's a really forgiving car. It's rather hard to spin with it. So, if you're average driver looking for a car easy to master, here's your choice. Well you won't be on the faster ones...but you'll really have good chances to be a finisher ones . Porsche car's were also realy knowed to be very reliable cars So, for an average guy like me, the choice to have a chance to see the checkered flag will be: 1: Porsche (really the adequate choice to average pilots) 2: Ferrari 3: Matra (can be second as I've never get used to the use of the engine) 4:Alfa (sorry Carl this car is really fast but not forgiving of any mistakes. But you can try it) | |
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Ludovic Tiengou Racing Legend
Number of posts : 2986 Age : 56 Location : Grenoble far away from Brittany, France Registration date : 2008-12-12
| Subject: Re: 200 Millas de Buenos Aires 1970 Thu 23 Jul 2009 - 13:55 | |
| After the 3L here comes the 5L.
GT40: a pleasant car to drive. Not to demanding, quite easy to understand it's a safe car. It's hard to spin with it (at least for a 5L). But it has a real flaw : it's a very slow car. Even with any 3L I'm going faster. PB in GT40 is 2.07.4 (compaired to the average 2.06-2.05 with others). Bet on the reliability. The GT40 looks really as an older car for older time (it's a 5 years old car..well not really I know Franck as it was MkIII then MkIV then GT40 if I'm right). Don't expect to be on top with it
Lola: That's an average car. It has the power of the 5L. It's not so uneasy to control. It's a sound car BUT...it's an heavy one. It's faster than most of 3L (but the Alfa..and the Ferrari in speed in straight) but in corners it's a car not so easy to push hard. Its weight is a real perfomance killing. Otherwise it's a good car not to tricky to handle (beware of braking although as the car easily overheat them)
Porsche 917: what a hell of car. It's powerful no need to say. It's fast (PB in 2.03.9). But it's the trickiest car I ever see (a bit like the Lotus 49 in GPL)...well at least with Guillaume set. It's also a strange one with his 4 gears box (but it's an advantage for me in the loooooooooong right corner). But, when it's time to hit the accelerator or the brake, the car start to behave, how could I say it....strangely at best. It's definitely a car for real good pilot. A rookie or average will find it quite painful to handle
So my choices for 5L will be: 1: Lola 2:GT40 3: Porsche 917
So I'll probably drive either a Lola or a 908-2 as it's the car I'm the more consistent with | |
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Carl Larrad Racing Legend
Number of posts : 6751 Age : 59 Location : Swindon , UK Registration date : 2008-12-20
| Subject: Re: 200 Millas de Buenos Aires 1970 Thu 23 Jul 2009 - 16:31 | |
| Thx Ludo for your review on all the cars thats very helpful but i think im going to stay faithfull to my ideas ... I Love Small light and fast cars and the Alfa fits the bill at the moment .... I Might give the 908 a whirl as i enjoyed the 906 race last night .... Cheers | |
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Ludovic Tiengou Racing Legend
Number of posts : 2986 Age : 56 Location : Grenoble far away from Brittany, France Registration date : 2008-12-12
| Subject: Re: 200 Millas de Buenos Aires 1970 Thu 23 Jul 2009 - 17:48 | |
| 906 and 908 are not the same cars at all. 908 is more powerfull and bit less tricky on brakes. In CSGT the 908 is overall better in anything than the 906 (which is as the GT40 an old car at that time). And the Historic GT 906 is quite different from the CSGT 906 (less understeer in the first version). But try the 908 with Guillaume set. It's a delightfull car to drive. It's small, it's light..well not fast enough I guess. I can understand the choice of an Alfa too (it's a very powerfull and nimble car after all ..but on a 3..oops just 2 hours race it will be demanding...and, if the conceptors have done a good job on reliability, that car should have a 80% rate of retirement if you push it hard (that plague that car's career as it can be ahead of 917 on track like Brands Hatch or the Ring (not Sauron's one..even if sometimes ). I should try one day those cars on that monument I so much love (well not in 917 as it a too demanding) Par contre désolé d'avoir tout écrit en anglais. Si cela interesse certains je peux leur filer la traduction | |
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Pierre Labédan Pro Driver
Number of posts : 651 Age : 71 Location : Nogaro gers Registration date : 2009-04-29
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Ludovic Tiengou Racing Legend
Number of posts : 2986 Age : 56 Location : Grenoble far away from Brittany, France Registration date : 2008-12-12
| Subject: Re: 200 Millas de Buenos Aires 1970 Sun 26 Jul 2009 - 9:47 | |
| C'est casse pied de ne pas savoir avec quoi ont été fait les temps hotlap je trouve. Bon Cedric je sais que c'est en 917 et Guillaume en Lola. Mais les autres? Carl ca doit etre en Alfa, Vincent en Ferrari selon ce que j'ai pu lire. Mais quid d'Uwe, Stephane, Germain, Olivier et Franck? 5L ou 3L? Cela pourrait m'aider à choisir pour ma part. Pas la peine de prendre une 5L si les pilotes de mon niveau prennent des 3L. Pour ma part le 2.04.5 a été fait à bord d'une 908-2 avec trente litres d'essence (une seconde et demi de gagné sur mon ancien PB avec la voiture lestée de 120L ) It's annoying not to know the car the hotlap times were done. Well for Cedric I know it's in 917 and Guillaume in Lola. But the others? Carl should be in Alfa and Vincent in Ferrari so I can read. But what aboud Uwe, Stephane, Germain, Olivier and Franck? 5L ou 3L? It can help to choose my car. It's not worthy to take a 5L if drivers of my level pick up a 3L. My 2.04.5 hotlap time was done aboard a 908-2 with 30L of fuel (one and half second best than my older one but with a car full of 120 liters). With the Lola in same configuration I should be one second faster (at least in 2.03.x). With full gas I'm roundly one second faster in Lola than in Porsche 2.05.x versus 2.06.x . That should strangely get as close as I never be from Gui this year Wake up Gui the old man is not so far | |
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Germain Merida Rookie
Number of posts : 26 Age : 63 Location : Rodez Registration date : 2009-01-09
| Subject: Re: 200 Millas de Buenos Aires 1970 Sun 26 Jul 2009 - 12:06 | |
| Féfé 312P pour moi Ludo parce que c est la plus jolie na!! les autres Beurk | |
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Frank Labédan Racing Legend
Number of posts : 1043 Age : 57 Location : france - Landes Registration date : 2008-10-28
| Subject: Re: 200 Millas de Buenos Aires 1970 Sun 26 Jul 2009 - 12:36 | |
| Moi j'ai pris la Matra ...mais j'ai un mal fou a aligner 2 tours avec ces voitures, qui decroche facilement du train arr...doit falloir tourner un peu plus pour s'habituer ... | |
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Carl Larrad Racing Legend
Number of posts : 6751 Age : 59 Location : Swindon , UK Registration date : 2008-12-20
| Subject: Re: 200 Millas de Buenos Aires 1970 Sun 26 Jul 2009 - 14:16 | |
| - Ludovic Tiengou wrote:
Carl ca doit etre en Alfa, Vincent en Ferrari selon ce que j'ai pu lire. Mais quid d'Uwe, Stephane, Germain, Olivier et Franck? 5L ou 3L? Cela pourrait m'aider à choisir pour ma part. Pas la peine de prendre une 5L si les pilotes de mon niveau prennent des 3L.
Carl should be in Alfa and Vincent in Ferrari so I can read. But what aboud Uwe, Stephane, Germain, Olivier and Franck? 5L ou 3L? It can help to choose my car. It's not worthy to take a 5L if drivers of my level pick up a 3L. Are you calling me a 2nd Division Driver honesty i like that Sont vous m'appelant un 2ème de Division Conducteur L'honnêteté j'aime ça | |
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Guillaume Siebert League Owner
Number of posts : 13827 Age : 38 Location : Paris, France Registration date : 2008-09-08
| Subject: Re: 200 Millas de Buenos Aires 1970 Sun 26 Jul 2009 - 15:00 | |
| Juste un mot pour dire que les inscriptions n'ouvreront pas à 0h01min mais demain dans la soirée Just a quick word to let you know that cars booking wont open at 0h01min but tomorrow in the evening | |
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Ludovic Tiengou Racing Legend
Number of posts : 2986 Age : 56 Location : Grenoble far away from Brittany, France Registration date : 2008-12-12
| Subject: Re: 200 Millas de Buenos Aires 1970 Sun 26 Jul 2009 - 16:25 | |
| We're playing in the same division Carl | |
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Ludovic Tiengou Racing Legend
Number of posts : 2986 Age : 56 Location : Grenoble far away from Brittany, France Registration date : 2008-12-12
| Subject: Re: 200 Millas de Buenos Aires 1970 Sun 26 Jul 2009 - 16:52 | |
| La Matra possede un fantastique couple, le meilleur des 3L il me semble. C'est pour cela qu'elle t'echappe. Si tu utilises le set de Gui il faut que tu passes la puissance du differentiel de 15 à 30%. La voiture devient alors beaucoup plus facile à controler. Toute proportion gardé elle me rappelle la Brabham BT24 de GPL avec son couple qui la rendait plutot capricieuse. | |
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