200 Millas de Buenos Aires 1970

Frank Verplanken wrote:

In the years where the ACF GP for the World Championship was run on other French tracks (Reims, Charade),

Tu as oublié Le Mans qui acceuillit le grand prix F1 ACF de 1967 pour la seule et unique fois de son histoire (du circuit). Ce fut aussi le dernier Grand Prix ACF qui devint en 1968 Grand Prix de France


You've forgot Le Mans which hosted the ACF Grand Prix in 1967 for the only occurence in history of the track. It was also the last ACF Grand Prix as it became Grand Prix de France in 1968

Ludovic Tiengou wrote:

Tu as oublié Le Mans qui acceuillit le grand prix F1 ACF de 1967 pour la seule et unique fois de son histoire (du circuit). Ce fut aussi le dernier Grand Prix ACF qui devint en 1968 Grand Prix de France


You've forgot Le Mans which hosted the ACF Grand Prix in 1967 for the only occurence in history of the track. It was also the last ACF Grand Prix as it became Grand Prix de France in 1968

But that was Le Mans Bugatti not La Sarthe. Jack Brabham invented the term "Mickey Mouse-track" at that occassion, I think. One of the flaws in the initial GPL and also in GPL Rank, but driving at Rouen ... no one really minds 8). And I think the 68 GP was ran at Rouen. Ickx won the rain soaked race for Ferrari and Joachim Bonnier lost his life that weekend, I think.

Timo

It wasn't really a flaw. They decided to ditch a crap track and use instead a real track, and it was a good idea
And that was Jo Schlesser who died at Rouen in 1968, in a Honda Surtees refused to drive.

JP Campmajo wrote:

And that was Jo Schlesser who died at Rouen in 1968, in a Honda Surtees refused to drive.

Yep, that's right.

Timo

Bugatti and la Sarthe are at the same place. The 24hours track used the pitlane, the Dunlop chicane and the straight up to La chapelle corner of the Bugatti one.
In France we use the word Le Mans the long one and Bugatti (or sometimes also Le Mans as for MotoGP championship) for the short one. But we, french, know that the long one is used only for the 24Hours (both classical and historical ones) as it uses some public roads (from Tertre Rouge to Porsche corner. Was even longer before 1972 as Maison Blanche was, and still is, public road too).
I've never heard of the track Le Mans la Sarthe before driving in GPL. Quite strange as I've gone to the 24hours from 1970 to 1994 every year

Joachim Bonnier was instead killed during the 24 Hours of Le Mans in 1972 just before Indianapolis.

Yeh and only us silly French call the Mulsanne Straight the ligne droite des Hunaudières ! As for the la Sarthe term, I guess it comes from the fact the official name of the circuit is (was ?) Circuit de la Sarthe, just as Charade's real name is Circuit de Montagne d'Auvergne.

It's now named "circuit Le Mans-Sarthe" if I believe the noticeboard at the entrance.
And I rather prefer Charade to "circuit de montagne d'Auvergne". By the way does the seventies track exist for rFactor?. It'll be nice to have both the true Ring and "le petit Ring"

Frank Verplanken wrote:

Yeh and only us silly French call the Mulsanne Straight the ligne droite des Hunaudières ! As for the la Sarthe term, I guess it comes from the fact the official name of the circuit is (was ?) Circuit de la Sarthe, just as Charade's real name is Circuit de Montagne d'Auvergne.

Very strange : the Belgians also refer to Mulsanne as les Hunaudières. Probably because we drink too much too. As to Charade, we call it Clermont. Go figure.

BTW, are there locals from Clermont around here? I used to go just east of Clermont once a year to do some karting for a week at Kart L'Escale.

Timo

Our own Gui lives in Clermont-Ferrand . Well in a tiny village with a ridiculous name in fact, but just a volcano spit from the Charade circuit .

As for Le Mans it's not Martin who lived nearby?

Frank Verplanken wrote:

Our own Gui lives in Clermont-Ferrand . Well in a tiny village with a ridiculous name in fact, but just a volcano spit from the Charade circuit .

Yes I live 20km from Charade I did 2 laps on the new track with my ultrapowered Golf MKI last year
I know the track you're talking about, but never been there. There's another karting track 3km from my home, Christian Sarron is the owner.

Hi All

I just wanted to say how nice it was to race with all of you. It was a real pleasure and I hope to join you again soon. The battle I had with Carl was terrific and if it had not been for a decision change before pitting, Carl you would have come out ahead of me. Having spun at least once ( I managed to screw up something every time Gui came to lap me ) and realizing I was not using fuel as I had calculated I decided to ignore car repairs and go for the "short fill". Carl and I were very matched so I needed any edge I could get. I think maybe you would have had me at the end before your misfortune. Thanks for a great race.


I agree with not trying to duplicate history directly with the sim. It would end up involving as many people on a team as the real thing eventually. The Buenos Aires race great fun. It was long enough for strategies to be in play yet not so long as to require relief drivers!
Whatever is decided I'm in. Maybe I'll try one of those SP3000 cars next time.

Thank you again and I look forward to the next one.

Paul

Guillaume Siebert wrote:

...il nous est impossible de créer un championnat sur ce mod chez HSO pour la simple et bonne raison que tous les courses de l'époque qui comptaient pour le championnat du monde des marques étaient des endurances de 1000km ou 6 heures. Par contre c'est clair qu'on organisera d'autres évènements avec ce mod, et j'ai déjà mon idée là dessus

... we at HSO cannot set up a full series on this mod because all races that counted for the World Sportscar Championship were very long events (6 hours or 1000km). But we will definately organize other events with this mod, and I already have a good idea

Est ce que ton idée avance car comme beaucoup ici, je suis un peu en manque de ce mod depuis que HSO me l'a fait découvrir

Cette année je sais pas. J'avais prévu de faire la course de Watkins Glen Can Am en ajoutant des voitures Canam mais j'ai pas la foi de refaire les physiques. Et sans les Canam, le plateau serait pas réaliste du tout.

Par contre en 2010 c'est sur

C'est noté dans mon agenda pour la saison prochaine

...mais en attendant et avec le plateau de voitures proposé par ce mod, n'y a t-il pas moyen de faire une epreuve de 1970 sur 12 ou 24 h avec le temps compressé x 4, x 6 ou x 8
J'imagine deja la grille de départ, les ravitaillements en essence, la gestion des pneus, le couché du soleil, le petit matin et toute l'ambiance qui va avec

J'en demande peut-être beaucoup

On compresse pas la durée/distance des courses, c'est contre notre religion ! Dur de trouver une date de libre aussi d'ici la fin de l'année, on est pas mal overbooké n'est-ce pas . Mais il est pas impossible qu'on fasse un open d'ici la fin de l'année quand même...

Tu as bien raison d'être réaliste et de demander l'impossible en tout cas !

Frank Verplanken wrote:

On compresse pas la durée/distance des courses, c'est contre notre religion ! Dur de trouver une date de libre aussi d'ici la fin de l'année, on est pas mal overbooké n'est-ce pas . Mais il est pas impossible qu'on fasse un open d'ici la fin de l'année quand même...

Tu as bien raison d'être réaliste et de demander l'impossible en tout cas !

Then I think you need a new creed as the old one is more loose in it's formulations, than this rigid interpretation.

Our motto is simple : every HSO championship tries to be a re-creation of an actual motor racing series of the past. Our aim is to stick as much as possible to the real-life proceedings, taking of course into account the limitations of some of the available sims in this respect.

I'm noting the word tries and the sentence "taking into account the limitations .. of the available sims"

rFactor doesn't limitate race-lenght, does it?

Antoine de Mautor wrote:

rFactor doesn't limitate race-lenght, does it?

Nope but it doesn't support driverchanges in a proper way.