Number of posts : 35 Age : 27 Location : Italy Registration date : 2016-02-26
Subject: Re: Round 14 - Gran Premio de Espana [Oct 22nd] Sun 22 Oct 2017 - 20:13
at session change I was kicked out of the server and nobody noticed? other times you rebooted and waited for it to come out before the race!
Jason White Racing Legend
Number of posts : 14725 Age : 47 Location : Ferndale, MI USA Registration date : 2011-12-25
Subject: Re: Round 14 - Gran Premio de Espana [Oct 22nd] Sun 22 Oct 2017 - 20:15
Rossetti Paolo wrote:
at session change I was kicked out of the server and nobody noticed? other times you rebooted and waited for it to come out before the race!
You can't bank on us noticing every time. Sounds like you need to address some connection issues on your end.
Rossetti Paolo Rookie
Number of posts : 35 Age : 27 Location : Italy Registration date : 2016-02-26
Subject: Re: Round 14 - Gran Premio de Espana [Oct 22nd] Sun 22 Oct 2017 - 20:30
Jason White wrote:
Rossetti Paolo wrote:
at session change I was kicked out of the server and nobody noticed? other times you rebooted and waited for it to come out before the race!
You can't bank on us noticing every time. Sounds like you need to address some connection issues on your end.
ok but a quick check that there are 26 drivers on the server you can do it by scrolling the list of drivers before the race is over
Victor Alcocer Club Driver
Number of posts : 140 Age : 28 Location : France Registration date : 2012-11-17
Subject: Re: Round 14 - Gran Premio de Espana [Oct 22nd] Sun 22 Oct 2017 - 20:33
... Bon départ,je passe en dehors des frictions du premier virage en passant a l'interieur Ensuite quelqu'un me touche a l'arriere ce qui me fait partir en TAQ
S'en suit une petite remonté et la bagarre avec Marc,malheureusement je tape a l'arriere de sa Tyrell,aileron avant fracassé
Je ne sais pas si j'ai freiné trop tard ou juste une différence de set up (ou de machine ?),en tout cas desolé pour la toupie que cela a engendré
Jason White Racing Legend
Number of posts : 14725 Age : 47 Location : Ferndale, MI USA Registration date : 2011-12-25
Subject: Re: Round 14 - Gran Premio de Espana [Oct 22nd] Sun 22 Oct 2017 - 20:36
Rossetti Paolo wrote:
Jason White wrote:
Rossetti Paolo wrote:
at session change I was kicked out of the server and nobody noticed? other times you rebooted and waited for it to come out before the race!
You can't bank on us noticing every time. Sounds like you need to address some connection issues on your end.
ok but a quick check that there are 26 drivers on the server you can do it by scrolling the list of drivers before the race is over
Even so, we can't be expected to keep holding up races for drivers with shaky connections. This makes four disconnections in this series for you. You need to address your connection issues.
Florkin Marc Pro Driver
Number of posts : 846 Age : 70 Location : Liège-Belguim Registration date : 2008-11-18
Subject: Re: Round 14 - Gran Premio de Espana [Oct 22nd] Sun 22 Oct 2017 - 20:43
Il y a des pilotes un peu sauvage au 1 ier tour, il y en a un qui brisé ma suspension !!!! Voiture encore conduisible , mais volant de travers ! Puis Victor m'a achevé au bout de la ligne droite après 13 tours !!!!
J'ai fait également une maladresse au freinage de la ligne droite (mais j'avais le volant de travers), avec Bruno Chacon (je pense que c'est lui), veuille bien m'excuser Bruno.
Pour David jundt, je t'ai laissé passer, quand j'ai vu ton nom derrière moi ; toujours désolé pour Estoril, mais j'ai pas de réponse de ta part (j'ai envoyé un MP):
Allez, on attend le replay
Marcus
Rossetti Paolo Rookie
Number of posts : 35 Age : 27 Location : Italy Registration date : 2016-02-26
Subject: Re: Round 14 - Gran Premio de Espana [Oct 22nd] Sun 22 Oct 2017 - 20:50
Jason White wrote:
Rossetti Paolo wrote:
Jason White wrote:
Rossetti Paolo wrote:
at session change I was kicked out of the server and nobody noticed? other times you rebooted and waited for it to come out before the race!
You can't bank on us noticing every time. Sounds like you need to address some connection issues on your end.
ok but a quick check that there are 26 drivers on the server you can do it by scrolling the list of drivers before the race is over
Even so, we can't be expected to keep holding up races for drivers with shaky connections. This makes four disconnections in this series for you. You need to address your connection issues.
On my race disconnections you can not do anything and I agree, but in this case you can fix it, at least for the start, on other occasions you did it, today no!
Jason White Racing Legend
Number of posts : 14725 Age : 47 Location : Ferndale, MI USA Registration date : 2011-12-25
Subject: Re: Round 14 - Gran Premio de Espana [Oct 22nd] Sun 22 Oct 2017 - 20:51
Rossetti Paolo wrote:
Jason White wrote:
Rossetti Paolo wrote:
Jason White wrote:
Rossetti Paolo wrote:
at session change I was kicked out of the server and nobody noticed? other times you rebooted and waited for it to come out before the race!
You can't bank on us noticing every time. Sounds like you need to address some connection issues on your end.
ok but a quick check that there are 26 drivers on the server you can do it by scrolling the list of drivers before the race is over
Even so, we can't be expected to keep holding up races for drivers with shaky connections. This makes four disconnections in this series for you. You need to address your connection issues.
On my race disconnections you can not do anything and I agree, but in this case you can fix it, at least for the start, on other occasions you did it, today no!
Stop pushing back. It is not incumbent upon us to accommodate your bad connection. You need to address the issues on your end.
Convidado Guest
Subject: Re: Round 14 - Gran Premio de Espana [Oct 22nd] Sun 22 Oct 2017 - 21:07
1 - Riolo hit me on the GRID,
2 This guy ran like a crazy , he try overtaking everyone and caused multcar crash on first turn in first lap.
3 I was damaged and driving so hard to stay my car at the track,
4 - An impatient Williams didn'tt wait I open passage and he try overtake me IN THE CHICANE, he flipped me and my car stoped with wheels on air...
5 - there are some drivers who think that race is won on the first lap
6 - the race had 65 laps, not ONE!!!
Last edited by Philippe Henrique on Sun 22 Oct 2017 - 21:31; edited 2 times in total
Rossetti Paolo Rookie
Number of posts : 35 Age : 27 Location : Italy Registration date : 2016-02-26
Subject: Re: Round 14 - Gran Premio de Espana [Oct 22nd] Sun 22 Oct 2017 - 21:16
Jason White wrote:
Rossetti Paolo wrote:
Jason White wrote:
Rossetti Paolo wrote:
Jason White wrote:
Rossetti Paolo wrote:
at session change I was kicked out of the server and nobody noticed? other times you rebooted and waited for it to come out before the race!
You can't bank on us noticing every time. Sounds like you need to address some connection issues on your end.
ok but a quick check that there are 26 drivers on the server you can do it by scrolling the list of drivers before the race is over
Even so, we can't be expected to keep holding up races for drivers with shaky connections. This makes four disconnections in this series for you. You need to address your connection issues.
On my race disconnections you can not do anything and I agree, but in this case you can fix it, at least for the start, on other occasions you did it, today no!
Stop pushing back. It is not incumbent upon us to accommodate your bad connection. You need to address the issues on your end.
I did not ask to restart the server forever! the track has created various types of problems for other drivers, maybe even this evening they have come back differently. making a reboot (and only one) would not cost anything (only 5 minutes at the maximum delay are acceptable? or not) Anyway, that's fine, thank you
Jason White Racing Legend
Number of posts : 14725 Age : 47 Location : Ferndale, MI USA Registration date : 2011-12-25
Subject: Re: Round 14 - Gran Premio de Espana [Oct 22nd] Sun 22 Oct 2017 - 21:23
Philippe Henrique wrote:
Many thanks ALESSANDRO RIOLO, very very thank you for Broke my suspension on first lap,
1 - he hit me on the GRID,
2 This guy ran like a crazy , he try overtaking everyone and caused multcar crash on first turn in first lap.
3 I was damaged and driving so hard to stay my car at the track,
4 - An impatient Williams didn'tt wait I open passage and he try overtake me IN THE CHICANE, he flipped me and my car stoped with wheels on air...
5 - there are some drivers who think that race is won on the first lap
You can file a protest via PM if you feel the offense was egregious enough.
Brian Janik Experienced Driver
Number of posts : 449 Age : 123 Location : Detroit, MI Registration date : 2014-01-19
Subject: Re: Round 14 - Gran Premio de Espana [Oct 22nd] Sun 22 Oct 2017 - 21:26
Loved my Minardi in race trim! good pace and easy to drive. REALLY looking forward to this one!
But race ruined in first corner when Alex Riolo braked late and bent my right rear. The usual, crooked wheel, and car always wanting to spin in left hand corners. Left/right chicane in particular Carried on and began to adapt, hoping to create some positive experience, but lost front wing when Victor spun into my path while letting him by to lap in turn 4. eventually spun and stalled in left right chicane bringing this shit race to an end.
Congrats to anyone who had fun.
Jason White Racing Legend
Number of posts : 14725 Age : 47 Location : Ferndale, MI USA Registration date : 2011-12-25
Subject: Re: Round 14 - Gran Premio de Espana [Oct 22nd] Sun 22 Oct 2017 - 21:40
ANTHEMS
WINNING DRIVER
WINNING CONSTRUCTOR
Victor Alcocer Club Driver
Number of posts : 140 Age : 28 Location : France Registration date : 2012-11-17
Subject: Re: Round 14 - Gran Premio de Espana [Oct 22nd] Sun 22 Oct 2017 - 21:44
Axel Riolo m'a touché a l'arriere ...sans aileron
Je viens de revoir le replay ce n'est pas a son avantage
Convidado Guest
Subject: Re: Round 14 - Gran Premio de Espana [Oct 22nd] Sun 22 Oct 2017 - 21:49
Jason White wrote:
Philippe Henrique wrote:
Many thanks ALESSANDRO RIOLO, very very thank you for Broke my suspension on first lap,
1 - he hit me on the GRID,
2 This guy ran like a crazy , he try overtaking everyone and caused multcar crash on first turn in first lap.
3 I was damaged and driving so hard to stay my car at the track,
4 - An impatient Williams didn'tt wait I open passage and he try overtake me IN THE CHICANE, he flipped me and my car stoped with wheels on air...
5 - there are some drivers who think that race is won on the first lap
You can file a protest via PM if you feel the offense was egregious enough.
No problem Jason, not my intention to offense, but i'm frustrating after some thing are happened during the race. So, sorry anything.
Jason White Racing Legend
Number of posts : 14725 Age : 47 Location : Ferndale, MI USA Registration date : 2011-12-25
Subject: Re: Round 14 - Gran Premio de Espana [Oct 22nd] Sun 22 Oct 2017 - 22:03
Results up; points to follow
EDIT: Points up
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Bruno Chacon Experienced Driver
Number of posts : 476 Age : 64 Location : Brazil Registration date : 2017-03-08
Subject: Re: Round 14 - Gran Premio de Espana [Oct 22nd] Sun 22 Oct 2017 - 22:24
Florkin Marc wrote:
Il y a des pilotes un peu sauvage au 1 ier tour, il y en a un qui brisé ma suspension !!!! Voiture encore conduisible , mais volant de travers ! Puis Victor m'a achevé au bout de la ligne droite après 13 tours !!!!
J'ai fait également une maladresse au freinage de la ligne droite (mais j'avais le volant de travers), avec Bruno Chacon (je pense que c'est lui), veuille bien m'excuser Bruno.
Pour David jundt, je t'ai laissé passer, quand j'ai vu ton nom derrière moi ; toujours désolé pour Estoril, mais j'ai pas de réponse de ta part (j'ai envoyé un MP):
Allez, on attend le replay
Marcus
No problem Marc.
David Jaques Pro Driver
Number of posts : 512 Age : 43 Location : Canada Registration date : 2013-03-28
Subject: Re: Round 14 - Gran Premio de Espana [Oct 22nd] Sun 22 Oct 2017 - 23:52
great race all! super battle with victor m the entire race. the incident with a lapper that gave me the lead, did you have damage from that point forward or were you able to escape clean? i went very aggressive on my setup, had to save fuel in the final stages, finished with 0.9L in the tank, brakes too, only had 1.46 brakes left. pushed hard the entire race, had one big moment, oversteer exiting the final turn, got a good look at the pit wall, but straightened it up just in time. tires i started on B (medium) all around, and at the stop put B on the left side, C on the right. im harder on my tires than most, C's i would overheat too much, and the B's i found i could get up to optimal at 103C in just a few laps. what did everyone else do strategy wise?
best, dave
Victor Montenegro Club Driver
Number of posts : 63 Age : 28 Location : Natal, Brazil Registration date : 2017-06-06
Subject: Re: Round 14 - Gran Premio de Espana [Oct 22nd] Mon 23 Oct 2017 - 1:23
It really was a great race! I took the chance I had to open a small advantage in the beginning of the race and managed to keep those 2-4 seconds for 20 laps until I found that Minardi in the way ... I thought he would give me passage through the fast line, but only me left the line from inside, with this it just add, dirty part of the track, unstable brake and the result was Dallara and Minardi were damaged!
With the car pushing to the left my consistency and speed were affected! And in the end I think it was a great race, either for lack of tests with the medium (even supposing it was better, I did not test and did not use ) , either because I am not accustomed to such long runs and because I haven't completed the last 4 races, finishing this race was something positive!
I was surprised by the problem that you had in the last corner, I had problems in the last laps, I saw the walls very close also, good thing that we escaped successfully of the accidents!
Minardi
Brian Janik Experienced Driver
Number of posts : 449 Age : 123 Location : Detroit, MI Registration date : 2014-01-19
Subject: Re: Round 14 - Gran Premio de Espana [Oct 22nd] Mon 23 Oct 2017 - 2:32
Victor Montenegro wrote:
It really was a great race! I took the chance I had to open a small advantage in the beginning of the race and managed to keep those 2-4 seconds for 20 laps until I found that Minardi in the way ... I thought he would give me passage through the fast line, but only me left the line from inside, with this it just add, dirty part of the track, unstable brake and the result was Dallara and Minardi were damaged!
With the car pushing to the left my consistency and speed were affected! And in the end I think it was a great race, either for lack of tests with the medium (even supposing it was better, I did not test and did not use ) , either because I am not accustomed to such long runs and because I haven't completed the last 4 races, finishing this race was something positive!
I was surprised by the problem that you had in the last corner, I had problems in the last laps, I saw the walls very close also, good thing that we escaped successfully of the accidents!
Minardi
Tried to slow and leave door wide open for you Victor. then you appeared directly in front of me backwards. Unavoidable. Didnt seem safe or predictable for me to leave room in previous S-turns, nor did I want to surprise you by veering off line to the right on short straight. So I just let off a little early and stayed wide at turn in. Wish I could have helped a little more. Last race was comment about some people trying too hard to help leaders lap. I wasnt happy to be in that position in the first place, my car was already effed before you got there. Sorry your mistake caused you to have damage as well.
same to you
David Jaques Pro Driver
Number of posts : 512 Age : 43 Location : Canada Registration date : 2013-03-28
Subject: Re: Round 14 - Gran Premio de Espana [Oct 22nd] Mon 23 Oct 2017 - 22:18
Brian Janik wrote:
Tried to slow and leave door wide open for you Victor. then you appeared directly in front of me backwards. Unavoidable. Didnt seem safe or predictable for me to leave room in previous S-turns, nor did I want to surprise you by veering off line to the right on short straight. So I just let off a little early and stayed wide at turn in. Wish I could have helped a little more. Last race was comment about some people trying too hard to help leaders lap. I wasnt happy to be in that position in the first place, my car was already effed before you got there. Sorry your mistake caused you to have damage as well.
i was the one last week commenting about "lappers getting out of the way less". maybe we should discuss it further..... the point of my comment was to try to make things "safer". one of the most dangerous situations is if one car does something "unexpected". i get the desire to help out, but letting off early only helps if the other car expects it and is ready. if the cars are still in line (following on the same line), if you "let off a little early and stayed wide at turn in", you are just slowing down unexpectedly directly infront of a car that is trying to get closer to setup a pass. try to imagine how it looked from the seat of the other car. it would be like a car on the highway suddenly hitting the brakes infront of you. as i said last week "before lifting or braking make sure the cars are on different lines,". we can talk about other options in more detail, but for the record, please all, dont "slow extra" in the braking zone to "help" a pass, UNLESS the following car has already moved to an inside line.
its all about timing, sometimes its easy right in the middle of a straight, sometimes it seems like the cars are coming together right at the worst possible time. its in this case, in my opinion, dont worry, hold the car up for a corner or two, drive your car as predictable as possible, and once the cars are not inline then facilitate the pass.
now, sometimes there are things one or both drivers can do to help the timing. practice and experience is what will help most. lets look at this case for example... "Didnt seem safe or predictable for me to leave room in previous S-turns" -exactly right, drive your own car, drive your own line.
"nor did I want to surprise you by veering off line to the right on short straight." -ok, im with you, stay consistent, let the approaching car make the move. but, there is an option here, ill come back to this in a second.
"So I just let off a little early and stayed wide at turn in. " -we already discussed why this can be detrimental, so we need another option. -if the car approaching is still too far behind and/or hasn't moved inside, take the corner normally and wait till the next opportunity. -depending on the corner, the one in question being a fairly long almost 180deg mostly constant corner, an option would also be to enter normal then migrate to a wider line and leave the inside open, and once the cars are not inline slightly slow to facilitate (risky and not required at all, just throwing out options).
now back to the short straight section... -i need to see the replay to say for sure, but based on the description, if he wasn't all the way up to you to make the move into the corner where you lifted, then its likely he was fairly far behind at the point you exited the "S-turns" and there was time to move to the inside of the short straight and slow. when i say time, i mean enough gap that your move to the inside would be seen by the following car before they would be trying for the inside into the next turn. its this case that needs to be avoided, the following car is already right there, or closing the gap fast, setting up the move to the inside AND the lap car moves inside, then bam. its all timing.
as i mentioned, best way to work on this is practice to gain experience. if you like we can try to get a group, say after qualifying, and line up and try some situations.
hopefully what im saying is making sense (from the standpoint of understanding what im meaning), any confusion lets talk it out and im sure we can all get this sorted.
best, dave
edit: below PS> sorry for the wall of text PPS> watched the replay, brian, in my opinion, you did perfectly, waited until the other car had moved to the side before slowing, splendid. we knew passing would be difficult, and unfortunately it looks like the braking off-line caught victor out there.
Michal Janak Racing Legend
Number of posts : 1082 Age : 51 Location : Brno, Czech Republic Registration date : 2010-03-25
Subject: Re: Round 14 - Gran Premio de Espana [Oct 22nd] Tue 24 Oct 2017 - 16:49
Q: try to gain 2nd poleposition, but lost it pre race test: strugled again set the car to be fast at race, finaly opted for Bs on front and Cs on rear and add some wings and pray not to lose so much positions after start like in many other races
R: released clutch too late after green lights, so lost 1 position by teammate, at end of 1st lap lost another place , David was so faster
then waited that benettons fly past me at next lap but surprisingly they this time was little slower and i remain on 4th place, i felt comfortable with my car stability with my tyre combination
soon i came closer to my teammate and aroiund 14th lap i overtook him, Victor and David were too far in front and the distance was growing , no meter how much i try push the car to limits tyres last more than 40 laps, in pits i switch to CC combination and it lasted to finish in prety usable condition.
3rd place was quite good and best what i was able to do and i am happy that i wasn lapped and that i beat my tem mate too.
only one problem i found in race this time with some lapped cars, 2 or 3 times i had hot moments when i was not sure if they make room or want "fight for position", specialy the McLaren swithed line 2 or 3 times on straight at 2nd splittime
Congrats to David, Victor and to MArtin for nice 6th place
François Remmen Pro Driver
Number of posts : 880 Age : 43 Location : Netherlands Registration date : 2012-12-22
Subject: Re: Round 14 - Gran Premio de Espana [Oct 22nd] Tue 24 Oct 2017 - 18:09
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A truly great race of racers!
from almost the whole race we had battle for p5 with Gabriele , Martin , and Jundt in epic fashion A slow start , was having a light flue , still not fully recovered but woking and racing i will! i found out my setup was not that good as in Estoril so had the benettons let go by. from then there was never rest, with great close racing we all battle it out to the end for 2 points
but unfortunatly i trew it all away by the AGS from Jonahtan who couldnt decide when to let the fast cars by and got trapped in the sand 4 laps before the end think he must bend his car or lag occur cause it was tricky to get near him every time we lapped Lag was so heavy in the early stage , and im not blaming but im pretty sure the high pingers from Brazil are debet on this but its a thing we have to cope with now and then.
my strategy was the same as estoril , start on four softs and switch to super softs on the right sides only after my stop at lap 30 also i put in enough fuel for battle for the whole race with 195L and boost 10 i could go flatout all the time, also i was surprised the slow benetton of Juha at the end which put me back to p5. did you had some problems mate?
such a pity gabriele dropped out of the battle cause it was simply awesome driving with you on the limit GG to all finishers and now get ready for the " Special"
Suzuka!
( will be the 1988 carrera version if you guys wanne practice already)
Juha Bos Racing Legend
Number of posts : 1687 Age : 36 Location : Belgium Registration date : 2016-05-11
Subject: Re: Round 14 - Gran Premio de Espana [Oct 22nd] Tue 24 Oct 2017 - 19:05
This isn't my kind of track and it took me too long before I made better use of the lighter car. The fight for fifth place was good fun though.
Michal Janak Racing Legend
Number of posts : 1082 Age : 51 Location : Brno, Czech Republic Registration date : 2010-03-25
Subject: Re: Round 14 - Gran Premio de Espana [Oct 22nd] Tue 24 Oct 2017 - 19:51
Juha Bos wrote:
This isn't my kind of track and it took me too long before I made better use of the lighter car. The fight for fifth place was good fun though.
i dont know why but the Spain track isn my favourite too, maybe the corners on horizonts which i hate at all
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