1973 Trentonian Split 300 [March 29th]

Just wanted to jump back in here on this thread to say that, in viewing the replay caps, the camera POV's were stunning!  I've got 46 rF mods on my HD and none of them measure up to this.  I even briefly tried a lap at Indy just a moment ago to confirm that it's a mod thingie and not track specific.  It's mod specific.

Forza, USAC '73!  

Jason White wrote:

When Heat 2 was over, I had 11 liters left in my tank, so if there had been one less 3-lap yellow flag, I might not have made it home.

You did not pit the whole race?

I presume you did not install your 900HP race engine Jason? If you would have then you would have won the race...impossible to catch up on an oval with a weaker engine.

I only had 875HP for the race

Peter Blom wrote:

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I presume you did not install your 900HP race engine Jason? 

I had 90 inches of boost, which I believe is 950 bhp in the Parnelli.  If there hadn't been those late yellows, I think I could have put up a fight at the end -- albeit on fumes 

900HP Jason, no car has a race boost of 950   That is the Q boost of the 2nd best Offy.

Alberto Ibañez wrote:

900HP Jason, no car has a race boost of 950   That is the Q boost of the 2nd best Offy.

I stand corrected.

Peter Blom wrote:

Richard Wilks wrote:

I used the weakest engine, that would allow me to finish both races without pitting, so i reckon without those problems i was in a shot for victory at both!

With all those yellow flags situations it's much better to use the strongest race engine you can get. You cannot even stay in the slipstream If you have 50HP less then the runners in front of you. That extra pitstop you have to make due to fuel consumption is easily being paid back under caution conditions.

My Foyt only had 800hp. The yellows were bad for me more because the car was never as light as everybody else, it wasn't a matter of raw pace, even because in the second heat, it would be enough for Jason for example to pit under green and me not being a lap down, and the situation would be reversed.

Anyways, my car was setup up so i wouldn't crash. And it worked, because i didnt make any mistake on my own during both races. I reckon if more people followed my strategy, instead of trying to go balls out pedal to the metal with all the HP they could get, we would have had less yellows and more finishers.

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 I reckon if more people followed my strategy, instead of trying to go balls out pedal to the metal with all the HP they could get, we would have had less yellows and more finishers.

You should come have a race with us at the CART 1998 series. We have an average of two-three drivers dying every weekend. Sometimes they even die several times 

Back in our GPL days we HSO founders used to run in the legendary (in the French GPL community at least ) GPL-Cups league which was a sort of inspiration for HSO as it was a "100%" league as we say in GPL vernacular : full distance, full damage and same rules and entry as the real 1967 F1 races. One year the league even had a medical commission in which the team-managers analysed the accidents that occured in each race and decided which injuries the drivers involved in those incidents "suffered" and if they would thus miss the next race(s) ! How hardcore is that, eh ?! As far as I remember no one "died" despite the severity of some crashes . And of course it had the advantage of somehow calming down the more accident prone of the drivers due to the possible consequences of a crash !

Frank Verplanken wrote:

. One year the league even had a medical commission in which the team-managers analysed the accidents that occured in each race and decided which injuries the drivers involved in those incidents "suffered" and if they would thus miss the next race(s) ! How hardcore is that, eh

Non ?, tu plaisantes, là ?

... Et quand ils avaient diagnostiqué l'amputation, est-ce qu'il fallait se rendre aux urgences ? ou simplement mettre l'accélérateur au volant ?

Frank Verplanken wrote:

Back in our GPL days we HSO founders used to run in the legendary (in the French GPL community at least ) GPL-Cups league which was a sort of inspiration for HSO as it was a "100%" league as we say in GPL vernacular : full distance, full damage and same rules and entry as the real 1967 F1 races. One year the league even had a medical commission in which the team-managers analysed the accidents that occured in each race and decided which injuries the drivers involved in those incidents "suffered" and if they would thus miss the next race(s) ! How hardcore is that, eh ?! As far as I remember no one "died" despite the severity of some crashes . And of course it had the advantage of somehow calming down the more accident prone of the drivers due to the possible consequences of a crash !

That is pretty freaking sweet. I had never thought of that.

So sorry, your driver is dead. Our driver 3D printer and trainer has started the printing process. It will take 4 weeks. See you then. Note your right foot is being made 4 sizes smaller and your left 4 sizes bigger. Your "fear" lobe in your brain is being made extra sensitive. Take a hint.

Alberto Ibañez wrote:

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 I reckon if more people followed my strategy, instead of trying to go balls out pedal to the metal with all the HP they could get, we would have had less yellows and more finishers.

You should come have a race with us at the CART 1998 series. We have an average of two-three drivers dying every weekend. Sometimes they even die several times 

And that's a shame, i love that mod, but the racing reports really discourage me of entering

Richard Wilks wrote:

And that's a shame, i love that mod, but the racing reports really discourage me of entering

The old adage of "In order to finish first, first you must finish" seems to be lost on some these days. 

Replaced by: "BANZAI!!!"

It's easy to race in this CART championship. Before half distance, pit at every yellow flag to make sure you're dead last. And it'll allow you the time to accept the idea that it's a wasted hour of your life that you'll never have back.
By half distance, the banzai guys are out, and you barely see the Safety Car, you can enjoy your race.

JP Campmajo wrote:

It's easy to race in this CART championship. Before half distance, pit at every yellow flag to make sure you're dead last. And it'll allow you the time to accept the idea that it's a wasted hour of your life that you'll never have back.
By half distance, the banzai guys are out, and you barely see the Safety Car, you can enjoy your race.

I'll be sure to remember that at indy

There will be no SC at Indy  

In 1973 they had the stupid pacing lights system that was ineffective and everyone cheated on it, so we are not replicating that failure (We have enough with our own ones )

Alberto Ibañez wrote:

There will be no SC at Indy  

In 1973 they had the stupid pacing lights system that was ineffective and everyone cheated on it, so we are not replicating that failure (We have enough with our own ones )

So you guys decided to use only local yellows in the track?

The final rules will appear in the race thread, but we are for sure not replicating the pacing lights system (Impossible in rfactor) or using a human SC. Normally, we will go with local yellows unless we happen to find a better solution. That is what has been used here for all Indy 500 in the past, and it has worked so far quite well.

In any case, come race with us in CART championship it really isn't as bad  I mean, yes there are some stupid incidents and some people getting optimistic in their moves, but overall the driving is clean and friendly. It's just that while we won't admit it, most of us are not talented enough to handle difficult cars like these. (There are two things no man will ever admit doing wrong, and one of them is driving a car ).

Oh i see, so i will start preparing my strategy


Well to be honest the main reason why i didnt enter the cart championship is because my sundays can be a bit hectic, but i will try to enter at some if i can

JP Campmajo wrote:

It's easy to race in this CART championship. Before half distance, pit at every yellow flag to make sure you're dead last. And it'll allow you the time to accept the idea that it's a wasted hour of your life that you'll never have back.
By half distance, the banzai guys are out, and you barely see the Safety Car, you can enjoy your race.

we had so many pace car situations..is it possible to adjust the yellows less sensitive for next race?

How does "off" sound?

No, people should work on their patience and car control.

Peter Blom wrote:

we had so many pace car situations..is it possible to adjust the yellows less sensitive for next race?

+1 Jukka, and don't bother coming in CART then, because if you're annoyed in a 100 laps oval race with less than 20 cars, in a 200 laps oval race or 100 laps road race rage with 30 cars... let's say it's not pretty there.

Probably the only thing I more or less consider good from iracing (And even that is not really well done) is the safety rating. You crash, you get points substracted from your license. You get too many substracted, you are limited to lower license level races, or even lose the racing license altogether.