Never see the Renault so stable. Mine is jiggering on every corner ot the track compaired to that lap. I'm braking roughly at the same point (that's the only good point I've got) but never managed to pass the chicanes that way. Nor could I take Nordkurve in 4th and that fast. In 4th gear I'm going straight in the entry and out of track very quickly. I've to switch to 3rd and even then the car is all the way understeering whatever changes I made.
Carlo Pozzi Pro Driver
Number of posts : 805 Age : 32 Location : Milan, Italy Registration date : 2009-11-28
I'm braking roughly at the same point (that's the only good point I've got) but never managed to pass the chicanes that way. Nor could I take Nordkurve in 4th and that fast. In 4th gear I'm going straight in the entry and out of track very quickly. I've to switch to 3rd and even then the car is all the way understeering whatever changes I made.
How much wings are you using? I made that lap using 1 1, max boost and 330kph at the end of the first straight
Your car was probably understeering because of too much rear wing
Ludovic Tiengou Racing Legend
Number of posts : 2986 Age : 56 Location : Grenoble far away from Brittany, France Registration date : 2008-12-12
2-8 as it seems. Never dare to go with less as I've found the M29 too touchy last year with 2-3. The RS 11 being much heavier than the McLaren I've thought I should take quite the same wing
Ludovic Tiengou Racing Legend
Number of posts : 2986 Age : 56 Location : Grenoble far away from Brittany, France Registration date : 2008-12-12
try 1-1... I'm going to a top 1.56 (twelve seconds slower than you...Never see such a gap). It's worse for me as it seems. But I've no more confidence in my abilities to race that car on that track. Doesn't help much to try something new
Jan Verschueren Club Driver
Number of posts : 133 Age : 54 Location : Antwerp, Belgium Registration date : 2008-12-15
Carlo being able to do 1m44s with 1-1 wings doesn't help. It just shows you have a problem.
2-8 wings is way too much rear wing, I would recommend a setting of 2-4 or 2-5.
If we assume you know the circuit and you need 8 at the rear to stabilise the car, one of three things is happening:
Your mechanical setup (rideheights, springs, dampers, differential, brake bias) is way off
You're trying to carry too much speed into the turns, trying to be too brave
You've got your FF set wrong
Especially point 3 would be hard to fix from a distance.
My suggestion: either I can host a session before qualifying where you, me and others interested in helping out all drive the Renault and we exchange setups/ideas. Or you take the recently liberated Williams (yeah, I know, the rules... whatever, there's like 8 drivers remaining ) and take Vincent Beretta's set from last year. His sets are usually very stable. So stable, in fact, I habve trouble getting them to work, because I don't push the car as hard as he does.
Carlo Pozzi Pro Driver
Number of posts : 805 Age : 32 Location : Milan, Italy Registration date : 2009-11-28
Carlo being able to do 1m44s with 1-1 wings doesn't help. It just shows you have a problem.
2-8 wings is way too much rear wing, I would recommend a setting of 2-4 or 2-5.
If we assume you know the circuit and you need 8 at the rear to stabilise the car, one of three things is happening:
Your mechanical setup (rideheights, springs, dampers, differential, brake bias) is way off
You're trying to carry too much speed into the turns, trying to be too brave
You've got your FF set wrong
Especially point 3 would be hard to fix from a distance.
My suggestion: either I can host a session before qualifying where you, me and others interested in helping out all drive the Renault and we exchange setups/ideas. Or you take the recently liberated Williams (yeah, I know, the rules... whatever, there's like 8 drivers remaining ) and take Vincent Beretta's set from last year. His sets are usually very stable. So stable, in fact, I habve trouble getting them to work, because I don't push the car as hard as he does.
I totally agree with Jan about the rear wing, 2/4 or 2/5 should make the car a bit more stable under braking, but a bit understeery As you can see from my replay i brake slightly earlier for the chicanes (before the 200m panel) and i'm very gently with the steering, and with the throttle there Also i was helped here by raising the rear ride height to gain a bit more stability
Ludovic Tiengou Racing Legend
Number of posts : 2986 Age : 56 Location : Grenoble far away from Brittany, France Registration date : 2008-12-12
Not a chance it's the third one. I was driving in Kimmo last's year times with the same car this year but in Germany. And I've got the same FFB set since two years. Not likely this is the good way. Can't be the source of being 2 second than with the Shadow and 5 than with McLaren with the same FF set.
the second reason/ perhaps but not likely. I'm too scared by the track to pull the speed out of the car. When carlo's going 330... I barely reach 310. And I'm braking at the same spot than he. So it's unlikely I get too much speed in entry. In fact I never done anything good on that SPECIFIC track. It's typically the kind of track I dislike since GPL. So I have no confidence whatever car I drive (even with the stable and well suited for me 911 RSR from HGT). There lies perhaps the trouble.
That give us the the first option. But whatever changes I made on the car (sometimes quite radical) the times are quite the same (more or less in the same second).
I'll see what time I managed to pull out with the car tonight. Then I shall decided wether I race or I retired
Thanks for the suggestion Jan but I have no time today to drive. And for switching car it a bit too late for me. I've never drive the Williams and it will very difficult to learn a quite different car in such short notice. Anyway the admins won't tolerated it.
The troubles aren't on braking where the car is really stable. It's the behaviour in the middle and exit of corners which are, at best, understeering. Sometimes it's even an erratic behaviour such as in corner 1 where sometimes the car understeer and pull me in the rail outside. Sometimes it oversteer...and pull me in the rail inside.
Steve Parker Racing Legend
Number of posts : 2000 Age : 65 Location : England uk Registration date : 2008-12-22
I have track geometry mismatch since qualy is launched? is it normal?
Gui hier soir en qualif tous les participants avant ce message d'erreur qui s'écrivait a chaque fois qu on sortait des stands ou qu on faisait échap , y a t il quelque chose a modifié dans nos installations pour éviter ce message d'erreur ? merci
je ne voudrais pas paraitre lourd mais je ne voudrais pas qu on rencontre tous un probleme ce soir au lancement de la course
Guillaume Siebert League Owner
Number of posts : 13827 Age : 37 Location : Paris, France Registration date : 2008-09-08
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Subject: Re: Round 10 - Hockenheim 
Fri 2 Sep 2011 - 20:57
) and take Vincent Beretta's set from last year. His sets are usually very stable. So stable, in fact, I habve trouble getting them to work, because I don't push the car as hard as he does.
Well done greg 
