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 Round 4 - Grote Prijs van Nederland [May 6th]

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Raymond Riddall
François Remmen
Yves Plaçais
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Gérard Ryon
Martin Lacina
Juha Bos
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Richard Coxon
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Martin Lacina wrote:
Yesterday i was surprised how many times i spent in the pit when the race started. I was waiting for the green but when the whole grid was in the middle of the track the red light was still there. Finally i started during the red light because it seems to me not normal. Is it normal than the driver who started from the pits waited so long?
 
Both rFactor and AMS work on the basis that when the last car had past through the end of the first sector, the light changes green I believe.

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Pascal Mikula wrote:
Martin Lacina wrote:
Yesterday i was surprised how many times i spent in the pit when the race started. I was waiting for the green but when the whole grid was in the middle of the track the red light was still there. Finally i started during the red light because it seems to me not normal. Is it normal than the driver who started from the pits waited so long?

Yeah, usually the pit exit opens a minute or so after the race starts, idk how long you waited before you went though

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Hmm. In that case is generally nonsense to start the race. :smil20:

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I should have given you the green flag right after the last car passed the pit exit Martin, since the race was run with no rules you would have not had any penalty. By the time I had decided to give you green flag you already were jumping the red light. Sorry, I also thought same as you the light would green quicker  :smil20:

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:grrr: :doh: 45 ème tours,dans le Rob Slotemaker-bocht (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Slotemaker),Je perd le controle de la Ferrari,je percute la cloture,roue avant droite arrachée.Terminer. J'étais confiant, j'espérais terminer. Sad
Thank you,the direct broadcast,HoooooooooooGod. :top:
Bravo au podium et aux finisseurs. :clap:

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Juha Bos wrote:
Business as usual, I crashed again. Rolling Eyes

Me too once again. I'll probably havo to wait until the Nordschleife in order to have enough speed to come to points. I am always good there Surprised

Also qualifying only 22nd is an all time low for me at HSO :champ:

My old Surtees feels outdated :smil20:

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Qualified 4th, wasn't disappointed at all about that. I actually impressed myself with my lap there! :D
The race was quite a thing too, I got away better than the Surtees in front of me initially, but because of the lack of space I couldn't overtake him before turn 1 because I had to back off the throttle in order to not hit him.
Then a few laps of holding the field up with my careful driving, then Yves managed to divebomb me and he was past. 
Then, after a few spins at the same exact place, a nice little duel between me and Austin Johnson and yet another spin while trying to catch Petr Hlavac, I finally finished back where I started, and I'm not disappointed at all. However, I was kicking myself hard after my last spin because I was thinking to myself, "God dammit, you could've gotten that pesky McLaren!" lol! 

All in all, that was a worthy one-off for me!

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Peter Blom wrote:


My old Surtees feels outdated :smil20:

You get the new TS9 in France in the Hands of Derek Bell. :top: No more excuses lol!

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Richard Coxon wrote:
Peter Blom wrote:


My old Surtees feels outdated :smil20:

You get the new TS9 in France in the Hands of Derek Bell. :top: No more excuses lol!

Oiiiiiiiii didnt knew that!!!! Do I have the TS9 then for the rest of the season? cheers

I'll do more prep for France then :banane:

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Peter Blom wrote:
Richard Coxon wrote:
Peter Blom wrote:


My old Surtees feels outdated :smil20:

You get the new TS9 in France in the Hands of Derek Bell. :top: No more excuses lol!

Oiiiiiiiii didnt knew that!!!! Do I have the TS9 then for the rest of the season? cheers

Yes, it is yours for the season now, John has been building it especially for you in the Paul Ricard pits.
Here is "Jenks" reporting on it in the 1971 August issue of Motorsport Magazine.

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The Matra will go well on the long straight Very Happy but the the twisty bits will be a challenge. A chance for Yves to get a home victory. I can't seem to find my Kyalami form. scratch
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Depends if Ford gives Jackie that secret engine :antoine:
Ferrari claims it is a 3.5L Razz

For the Matra's, you best hope they don't replicate real life where the struggled for power, speed and handling Neutral

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Richard Coxon wrote:
For the Matra's, you best hope they don't replicate real life where the struggled for power, speed and handling Neutral
I certainly struggled for power, speed and handling at Zandvoort.
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David Sabre wrote:
The Matra will go well on the long straight Very Happy  but the the twisty bits will be a challenge. A chance for Yves to get a home victory. I can't seem to find my Kyalami form. scratch

Paul-Ricard, in all it's former glory, was about 80% straight line Laughing Laughing

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Timo Vermeersch wrote:
Paul-Ricard, in all it's former glory, was about 80% straight line Laughing Laughing
Only the back straight can be classed as a straight, the start finish straight is preceded by a slow corner therefore the corner exit is more important than the straight. A lot of the track is slow corners. Mad
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A lot of the track is slow corners

Well I guess that settles your strategy. Block everybody in the twisty section with the width of your car, and fly away at the straights with the power of the V12 :D

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David Sabre wrote:
Timo Vermeersch wrote:
Paul-Ricard, in all it's former glory, was about 80% straight line Laughing Laughing
Only the back straight can be classed as a straight, the start finish straight is preceded by a slow corner therefore the corner exit is more important than the straight. A lot of the track is slow corners. Mad

Now there is stuff for a nice debate in report-form :D

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that strategy would work but only if they took off that 100extra kg lump of bricks of my car :aie:

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François Remmen wrote:
that strategy would work but only if they took off that 100extra kg lump of bricks of my car :aie:

A good workman never blames his tools Wink If Hlavac can, then you can.

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David Sabre wrote:
A chance for Yves to get a home victory.

Hahahahahah  :D , c'est gentil, David, mais je pense aujourd'hui uniquement à ne pas rajouter quelques soupapes supplémentaires aux quelques dizaines qui trônent dans mon armoire de trophée virtuelle !

Finir une course sera déjà une réelle victoire !

et, pourtant à Zandvoort, j'y croyais : pas de surrégime, pas ou peu de vitesses ratées, mais ça n'a pas suffi.... en fait, je ne sais pas trop quoi faire... :hum:

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Richard Coxon wrote:
Peter Blom wrote:
Richard Coxon wrote:
Peter Blom wrote:


My old Surtees feels outdated :smil20:

You get the new TS9 in France in the Hands of Derek Bell. :top: No more excuses lol!

Oiiiiiiiii didnt knew that!!!! Do I have the TS9 then for the rest of the season? cheers

Yes, it is yours for the season now, John has been building it especially for you in the Paul Ricard pits.
Here is "Jenks" reporting on it in the 1971 August issue of Motorsport Magazine.

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:clap:

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One of them was the t-car then, I assume?

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There is nothing that says it was a T car, the car was built but not raced or tested. Maybe it wasn't 100% ready I'm not sure. The car was ready for the British GP, where yes it was meant to be a T car, but Derek Bell, who was given the TS7 to drive originally, somehow convinced John to let him try it in practice. As a result John let him drive it in the race.

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I meant Matra, not Surtees... as it says Matra brought three cars to Le Castellet, I am guessing one of them was the spare car.

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Pascal Mikula wrote:
However, I was kicking myself hard after my last spin because I was thinking to myself, "God dammit, you could've gotten that pesky McLaren!" lol! 

I had to push REALLY hard for some 20 laps and trust me, I was determined to keep you behind, no matter what :cowboy2:

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David Jundt wrote:
I meant Matra, not Surtees... as it says Matra brought three cars to Le Castellet, I am guessing one of them was the spare car.
It also says Surtees had 3, hence me thinking that, and the fact we was talking about them. But yes most of the teams took 3 cars. Usually 2 71 spec cars and a 70 spec car, but Matra was obviously lucky.

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