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Ben Paulet
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PostSubject: Training Cart 98   Training Cart 98 Icon_minitimeSat 2 Jul 2011 - 11:50

First thing, a training server is now running for this event :

Historic Simracing CART
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Best times are displayed here : => HOTLAPS MID OHIO <=
Now a few advices about the mod and the track :
You can find a good base setup and a replay of a decent lap here : => Mid Ohio setup & replay <=
The setup should work fine on every car, nevertheless, if you're driving a Swift, you may need to soften rear springs to have a more stable car.
The steering ratio is set on 13°, which is rather low, but in my opinion necessary to be able to quickly catch some small driving errors, otherwise you would be in the wall even before having completly turn your wheel.

The mod has been made to be used with the autolift activated (a driving aid which automaticaly cuts off gas when gearing up). To activate it, open your .PLR file located in your "Userdata/YourName" folder, and edit this line like this : Auto Lift="1".

Cockpit mirrors being barely useless, I strongly recommend you to use virtual mirrors, you can activate them like this :
Virtual Rearview In Cockpit="1"

I personnaly use the Realfeel plugin with this mod, I have a really good feeling with the car using the recommanded values, which are :

[CART 1998]
MaxForceAtSteeringRack=-1000.000000
SteeringDamper=11500.000000
FFBMixerRealFeelPercent=100.000000

If you don't want to have both RF plugin and autolift activated for all your mods, the best thing to do is a dedicated installation for this mod.

Now a few words about the cars themself : high downforce, high braking power and mostly, very powerful turbo engines. Do not try to make the car slides, it has not been made for that. The turbo engine can be tricky to master, with relatively low torque at low revs, you'll get a good kick in the back when the turbo will kick in.
The best technique to avoid it is short shifting, which means to gear up at low revs. This will be particulary useful between turns 5 and 6 or turns 11 and 12.

The boost pressure is adjustable in the setup and from your cockpit. So remember to assign 2 buttons to be able to adust the boost value while driving. Considering your engine will burn around 4.4L per lap at full boost, and only 3.7L per lap at minimum boost, that will make a big difference in a 83 laps race. Of course the engine will be much easier to tame at minimum boost.

Remember to practice your pitstops, as you will need to pit at least twice to finish the race. Remember to assign a button to call your team before doing a pitstop or it will last longer.

Now its time to drive ! :conduit:


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PostSubject: Re: Training Cart 98   Training Cart 98 Icon_minitimeSat 2 Jul 2011 - 11:51

Tout d'abord, un serveur est ouvert pour cet open :

Historic Simracing CART
pass : hso98


Les meilleurs temps sont visibles ici : => HOTLAPS MID OHIO <=
Ensuite, quelques conseils pour mieux maitriser le mod et le circuit.
Vous trouverez ici un bon setup de base et un replay d'un tour correct : => Mid Ohio setup & replay <=
Il devrait correspondre à à peu près n'importe quelle voiture, ceci dit sur la Swift il vous faudra surement assouplir les ressors arrières pour gagner en stabilité.
L'angle de braquage est de 13°, ce qui est assez faible, mais à mon avis nécessaire pour rattraper de petites erreurs rapidement. Avec une trop grande valeur, le temps de tourner le volant, vous seriez déjà dans le mur.

Le mod a été créé pour être utilisé avec l'autolift activé (l'aide qui coupe les gaz automatiquement quand vous montez une vitesse). Pour l'activer, ouvrez votre fichier .PLR, qui se trouve dans Userdata/VotreNom, et mettez cette ligne comme ceci : Auto Lift="1".

Les rétroviseurs n'offrant que peu de visibilité, je vous conseille fortement d'activer les rétro virtuels, toujours dans le fichier PLR :
Virtual Rearview In Cockpit="1"

Personnellement, j'utilise le plugin RealFeel pour ce mod, je trouve le feeling vraiment excellent avec les réglages proposés dans le read me, qui sont :

[CART 1998]
MaxForceAtSteeringRack=-1000.000000
SteeringDamper=11500.000000
FFBMixerRealFeelPercent=100.000000

Rien que pour ces 2 choses, je vous conseille de faire une installation dédiée à ce mod, si vous ne voulez pas avoir l'auto lift et le Realfeel activés pour tous vos autres mods.

A propos des voitures elles mêmes, elles possèdent beaucoup d'appuis, freinent fort et surtout accélèrent très fort. N'essayez surtout pas de les faire glisser en sortie de virage, elles ne sont pas faites pour ça. Mettez bien la voiture en ligne avant de remettre les gaz à fond.
D'autant plus que le moteur turbo n'est pas simple à maitriser. Relativement peu coupleux bas dans les tours, vous prendrez un bon coup de pied au derrière lorsque le turbo se déclenchera. D'où la nécessité d'être bien en ligne.
La meilleure technique pour en atténuer l'effet est le "short shifting", consistant à passer la vitesse supérieure assez bas dans les tours pour éviter le boost du turbo. A utiliser par exemple entre les virages 5 et 6 ou 11 et 12.

La pression du turbo est réglable dans le setup et depuis votre cockpit. Pensez donc à attribuer 2 boutons pour augmenter/diminuer cette valeur. Bien évidement le moteur sera bien plus docile à faible boost et consommera moins. Les moteurs consomment environ 4.4L au tour au boost maximum, et 3.7L / tour au boost minimum, ce qui fait une grosse différence sur une course de 83 tours.

Pensez à pratiquer vos pitstops, il vous faudra en faire au moins 2 pour terminer la course. N'oubliez pas d'assigner un bouton pour prévenir votre écurie que vous voulez ravitailler ou le ravitaillement durera plus longtemps que prévu.

Maintenant à vos volants ! :conduit:


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Martin Audran
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PostSubject: Re: Training Cart 98   Training Cart 98 Icon_minitimeSat 2 Jul 2011 - 12:25

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Ludovic Tiengou
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PostSubject: Re: Training Cart 98   Training Cart 98 Icon_minitimeSat 2 Jul 2011 - 12:58

oula j'ai un souci avec mon FFB qui déconne. Il faut coller les parametres où?

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Mickael Forestier
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PostSubject: Re: Training Cart 98   Training Cart 98 Icon_minitimeSat 2 Jul 2011 - 13:39

dans le controler.ini de ton pseudo Wink

edit : en fait c'est dans le realfeelplugin.ini de l'install

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PostSubject: Re: Training Cart 98   Training Cart 98 Icon_minitimeSat 2 Jul 2011 - 14:01

Ca venait d'ailleurs en fait. J'étais à 100% des effets du FFB au lieu de -100%...Là ca va nettement mieux. Et j'ai retrouvé avec un intense plaisir ma Reynard favorite cheers cheers cheers

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Pierre Pfleger
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PostSubject: Re: Training Cart 98   Training Cart 98 Icon_minitimeMon 4 Jul 2011 - 15:02

Ben tu aurais pu ou dire au début que c'est une citation, ou signer du nom de l'auteur. On rigole pas avec les droits d'auteurs de nos jours. Suspect (ou on va t'envoyer l'Hadopi :D )
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PostSubject: Re: Training Cart 98   Training Cart 98 Icon_minitimeWed 6 Jul 2011 - 9:35

Pierre Pfleger wrote:
Ben tu aurais pu ou dire au début que c'est une citation, ou signer du nom de l'auteur. On rigole pas avec les droits d'auteurs de nos jours. Suspect (ou on va t'envoyer l'Hadopi :D )

Tu as raison Pierre, mais j'avais prévenu que je recopiais les post précédents.
Sinon, Texte de Guillaume Siebert et traduction de Frank Verplanken. :frank:
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PostSubject: Re: Training Cart 98   Training Cart 98 Icon_minitimeWed 6 Jul 2011 - 13:49

I am sorry for a stupid question...it is so long from my last on line race...so can you tell me onwhich Ip . scratch should I connect? Thank you in advance..

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PostSubject: Re: Training Cart 98   Training Cart 98 Icon_minitimeWed 6 Jul 2011 - 13:57

Karel Marciniszyn wrote:
I am sorry for a stupid question...it is so long from my last on line race...so can you tell me onwhich Ip . scratch should I connect? Thank you in advance..

IP : 91.121.135.76:34200

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PostSubject: Re: Training Cart 98   Training Cart 98 Icon_minitimeWed 6 Jul 2011 - 14:12

Carlo Pozzi wrote:
Karel Marciniszyn wrote:
I am sorry for a stupid question...it is so long from my last on line race...so can you tell me onwhich Ip . scratch should I connect? Thank you in advance..

IP : 91.121.135.76:34200


Thank you! :hello:

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PostSubject: Re: Training Cart 98   Training Cart 98 Icon_minitimeWed 6 Jul 2011 - 21:30

ca serait sympa d arreter la course pour que je puisse revenir j ai ete ejecte par le serveur :grrr:

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PostSubject: Re: Training Cart 98   Training Cart 98 Icon_minitimeTue 12 Jul 2011 - 19:07

qqn qui a fait la 1min4 pourrait-il uploader le replay/setup qqpart ? je n'arrive pas à descendre en dessous les 1m8 Sad
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PostSubject: Re: Training Cart 98   Training Cart 98 Icon_minitimeTue 12 Jul 2011 - 19:11

Tom Schaack wrote:
qqn qui a fait la 1min4 pourrait-il uploader le replay/setup qqpart ? je n'arrive pas à descendre en dessous les 1m8 Sad

There you go, replay and setups

ftp://91.121.135.76/setups/rFactor/CART%20Factor/Mid%20Ohio/CP%20Mid%20Ohio%20Penske%20HOTLAP%201'04''9.Vcr

ftp://91.121.135.76/setups/rFactor/CART%20Factor/Mid%20Ohio/CP%20Mid%20Ohio%20Reynard-Mercedes%20Setups.rar
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PostSubject: Re: Training Cart 98   Training Cart 98 Icon_minitimeTue 12 Jul 2011 - 19:37

is this your replay and setup you used to run a 1min04 ? or just the general ? reynard/ford combo ?

just saw the names of the files Wink

can i use them on a Reynard Ford combo ? i doubt it Sad
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PostSubject: Re: Training Cart 98   Training Cart 98 Icon_minitimeTue 12 Jul 2011 - 20:10

Tom Schaack wrote:
is this your replay and setup you used to run a 1min04 ? or just the general ? reynard/ford combo ?

just saw the names of the files Wink

can i use them on a Reynard Ford combo ? i doubt it Sad

I think so, anyway i'm going to test it a little bit on the server
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PostSubject: Re: Training Cart 98   Training Cart 98 Icon_minitimeTue 12 Jul 2011 - 20:14

There's also my old Reynard - Merc setup in the first post of the topic, good enough for 1'04"7 iirc. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Training Cart 98   Training Cart 98 Icon_minitimeThu 14 Jul 2011 - 9:18

I can't find the server in the server list nor does rFactor find it when entering the IP. Is the server down or is the problem on my side?
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PostSubject: Re: Training Cart 98   Training Cart 98 Icon_minitimeThu 14 Jul 2011 - 9:26

Yep the server was offline, i'm restarting it now Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Training Cart 98   Training Cart 98 Icon_minitimeThu 14 Jul 2011 - 15:17

Carlo I gave a try to your Reynard/Mercedes setup the other day in my Reynard/Firestone/Honda car, and during 75% of the lap, the car's bottom was touching the ground, leaving a trace of sparks affraid Is that normal??? Is it intended to cause fires in the rivals's fuel tank?? :spy:
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PostSubject: Re: Training Cart 98   Training Cart 98 Icon_minitimeThu 14 Jul 2011 - 15:42

in fact the car is very low, and on the back straight, the car really rubbs the floor a lot. You don't lose topspeed, i stillg et 299km/h Smile (or more, but then you say "hi" to the wall Wink ) :urgence:
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PostSubject: Re: Training Cart 98   Training Cart 98 Icon_minitimeThu 14 Jul 2011 - 18:33

Alberto Ibañez wrote:
Carlo I gave a try to your Reynard/Mercedes setup the other day in my Reynard/Firestone/Honda car, and during 75% of the lap, the car's bottom was touching the ground, leaving a trace of sparks affraid Is that normal??? Is it intended to cause fires in the rivals's fuel tank?? :spy:

Yeah i run minimum ride height which gives better grip in the twisty stuff

I remember before last year's Long Beach's race Gui created a patch that removes the sparks:

There you go: ftp://91.121.135.76/rFactor/spark.rar

Anyway i don't know if it creates mismatches on the server
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PostSubject: Re: Training Cart 98   Training Cart 98 Icon_minitimeThu 14 Jul 2011 - 18:36

No it doesnt create any mismatch Wink
Just extract it in your Gamedata/Vehicles folder.
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PostSubject: Re: Training Cart 98   Training Cart 98 Icon_minitimeThu 14 Jul 2011 - 19:19

Minimal ride height is not optimal. If you read the CARTFactor readme it states that "Downforce begins to stall at ride heights around and below 20mm, so one is advised to keep the car high enough, particularly when running softer suspension rates." When you drive the ride height will be a lot lower than in the setup menu because of downforce. Personally I find the the Mid-Ohio setup that comes with CARTFactor really good, you can see a video on youtube where the author of the mod's physics does a 1.04.4 with the same setup.

The server is running the no-chicane version. Why not run the Miller Lite 200 version that was made specifically for CARTFactor (doesn't have a chicane either) Razz?
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PostSubject: Re: Training Cart 98   Training Cart 98 Icon_minitimeThu 14 Jul 2011 - 19:19

Hummmm but is that legal????

I think no real car should be able to rub the bottom wildly for 83 laps and make it to the end! Suspect

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