Round 5 - Rex Mays 200 [March 22th]

Greg Goissen wrote:

 la je demande en toute légitimité un restart et rien du tout , désolé mais ce n est pas cool  ( combien de restarts rien qu a long beach ???.... on s est compris )

Je sais pas si tu as remarqué mais le serveur avait beaucoup de mal à suivre hier, cf les deux crashs qu'on a eu au moment de passer en qualifs. Donc un restart aurait été trop risqué.

ça j ai bien vu ce n est d ailleurs pas la 1 ere fois qu on se prend tous un retour bureau sur ce mod ...

j aimerai bien connaitre quand meme ce qui s est passé me concernant ? merci

C'est simple. Tu étais trop loin du Safety Car, donc le jeu t'a mis une pénalité => aller en fin de peloton. Tu n'y étais pas au moment du drapeau vert => stop & go.

Indeed in one of the restarts we didnt get the green flag when the SC entered the pits because the leader was too far behind. It seems that the game is more tolerant with the rest of the pack keeping distance with the car they must follow, but the leader has to be close to the SC.

c est hallucinant ce que vous dites , car j ai eu le message comme quoi j etais mal placé sur la grille et que je devais me placer dernier sur la grille juste apres avoir franchi la ligne de sortie des pits soit a peine 10 metres de parcouru et la pénalité max entre 5 et 10 s apres

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Voila.
D'ailleurs, à Fontana et Michigan, ca va pas être triste vu la difficulté à démarrer les voitures avec les upgrades superspeedway...

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 soit a peine 10 metres de parcouru

Probably the game tolerance is related to speed: It lets you be a bit more far behind if the SC is at higher speeds, but not as much if it is going slow - or even stopped as in the pits.

That would explain the difference

JP Campmajo wrote:

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sur ta photo JP tu veux dire que j ai pris cette péna car j ai franchi la ligne blanche ?

Nonon, l'image est prise peu après la sortie des stands, et tu es encore plus éloigné du safety car que le leader. Ta pénalité "aller en fin de peloton" est peut être due à ca.

Le stop & go est lui très logique a partir du moment où t'as pas purgé ta 1ere pénalité (aller en fin de peloton) avant le drapeau vert.

JP Campmajo wrote:

Nonon, l'image est prise peu après la sortie des stands, et tu es encore plus éloigné du safety car que le leader. Ta pénalité "aller en fin de peloton" est peut être due à ca.

Ben forcément qu'il est plus éloigné, il est qualifié derrière Sinon pourquoi les pilotes derrière Greg n'ont rien eu ?
Je vois pas trop ce qu'il pouvait faire de plus, ça ressemble plus à un bug qu'autre chose.

Was Greg exactly behind the SC when he appeared on the starting point in the pits? Maybe if the start locations on the pits are not correct or simply tend to confuse the game, it understood that Greg had fallen behind another car and penalized him for not holding proper station.

The game certainly goes to little tolerance mode when the cars are lined behind the SC, compared to when you are on a yellow but not yet in the qeue.

In any case, IIRC these tracks allow generally two starting locations, pits or already at the track before the start/finish line. We have it now set to "stock car style" exiting from the pits, so maybe a change to "open wheel" start already on the track could solve the bug (Besides being more accurate).

Guillaume Siebert wrote:

JP Campmajo wrote:

Nonon, l'image est prise peu après la sortie des stands, et tu es encore plus éloigné du safety car que le leader. Ta pénalité "aller en fin de peloton" est peut être due à ca.

Ben forcément qu'il est plus éloigné, il est qualifié derrière Sinon pourquoi les pilotes derrière Greg n'ont rien eu ?
Je vois pas trop ce qu'il pouvait faire de plus, ça ressemble plus à un bug qu'autre chose.

Non on part côte à côte, ce qui est normal pour les courses US. Les autres n'ont rien eu car ils sont bien plus proches de la voiture qui les précédait.

Milwaukee in 1998, cars were starting from the pitlane. If the track isn't pancake flat, starting from the track will make things even worse.

Enfin c'est quand même super tatillon alors, parce que l'écart entre Greg et Arturo n'est pas scandaleusement plus grand que celui entre Alberto et toi par ex.

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 parce que l'écart entre Greg et Arturo n'est pas scandaleusement plus grand que celui entre Alberto et toi par ex.

No, but looking again at the image, Greg is more beyond the yellow line than us. Maybe that was the reason? The game could have considered he had entered the track before the SC

Arturo Pereira wrote:

I got a brainfade and rearended Steve I think and the front suspensión was badly damaged.

And you did it at some speed,why i dont know because we were under yellow and following safety car,you damaged my car so bad it wrecked my race,first 75+ laps i was going well no damage avoided all the trouble was sat in 7th place and had pitted so cars in front of me still needed to pit,so wasted evening for me.

Steve Parker wrote:

Arturo Pereira wrote:

I got a brainfade and rearended Steve I think and the front suspensión was badly damaged.

And you did it at some speed,why i dont know because we were under yellow and following safety car,you damaged my car so bad it wrecked my race,first 75+ laps i was going well no damage avoided all the trouble was sat in 7th place and had pitted so cars in front of me still needed to pit,so wasted evening for me.

All the same for me Steve. A wasted evening.

If people would concentrate just a little bit more, most penalties and cautions would go away. If that doesn't work, more rear wing!

It's weird that we get more incidents during yellows than while racing  Yellows were supposed to be a safe time

A problem we had here was that the safety car pulled out just in front of the pack, meaning we had to brake very hard - not easy to do with an oval setup and cold brakes. Pascal had a very interesting moment, spinning right around me in which I was lucky not to hit him! There were several other close calls.

I wonder what made Homestead so clean, but these other races much messier. I thought Homestead would be one of the most difficult ovals, and Milwaukee the easiest! I have been wrong before...

True, I found it difficult to judge at which moment the game will consider that you overtook the SC when it is coming out to the track. I passed it while it was left of the yellow and got no penalty (But Jan who was before me didn't and I had to brake and wait for him, losing the lap we both could have won there ) but it's always a nerve wracking thing ...

In any case the general rule is to cut back after the start/finish line when the yellow has been thrown if you where in the main straight, because the SC is already on its way and you WILL meet it as you go around turn 1.

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 I wonder what made Homestead so clean, but these other races much messier. I thought Homestead would be one of the most difficult ovals, and Milwaukee the easiest! I have been wrong before...

People were more cautious after the wrecking in the tests races that week and because of having the speedway wings with less grip. And Homestead is very wide, which always helps.

Still, I see many people not forming in echelon behind the car they are following, but right behind its tail instead. This is quite risky, and should be avoided as not only you get less time to react, but you also don't really see what is happening some hundred yards in front.

Jan was leading, Alberto.

Yes I know, I meant that if you are leading and get just by the SC, you go all around the track and are last in the qeue but almost a full lap in front of the 1st guy behind the SC. A full lap minus the length of the line of cars.

what do you think about official test race for 1/4 of laps one week before the "live" one? We did this before in our GPL league (years ago) and it was very good because learning empty track is different from learning on track with other cars

There are several problems that won't be solved by running more. And speaking from experience, those who would go to the test races aren't the trouble makers.

- some guys still don't know the basic rules of this type of racing, after 5 races.
- some guys drive like maniacs, whether it's a road course or an oval. Curiously, once those guys crash, the races are cleaner and we have green flag laps - oval or road course. Homestead was down to luck, and to rFactor, because I saw a lot of wheel banging that would normally end up with at least one car into the wall.
- some guys are a danger when running at their potential, but are worse when running with a damaged car that can't go straight and are lapped every three laps.
etc...

dacodac JP