Round 4 - Rhein-Ruhr Pokal-Rennen [March 13th]

Oscar Hardwick wrote:

Frank Verplanken wrote:

I tend to be Hardwicky when I post right out of bed

I wasn't aware that admins bashing members was such a big thing here. But thanks for validating the decisions I have recently made.

Oscar.

Frank, your post is out of order. I thought as the owner of the website you'd be more professional than that. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Jon Hicken wrote:

Frank, your post is out of order. I thought as the owner of the website you'd be more professional than that. You should be ashamed of yourself.

I had enough of you Jon and I'm speaking for all the HSO admins here.

We're not pros as far as I know, we don't owe you anything and you're not going to tell us how we should run things here. If you don't like it, there's the door. We may be admins but we're not going to shut up when we don't like somebody's attitude on or off track, just to please everyone.

It is obvious that you don't belong here so I strongly advice you to pack your things and go race with your kinds somewhere else, before we force you to do so.

Guillaume Siebert wrote:

I had enough of you Jon and I'm speaking for all the HSO admins here.

We're not pros as far as I know, we don't owe you anything and you're not going to tell us how we should run things here. If you don't like it, there's the door. We may be admins but we're not going to shut up when we don't like somebody's attitude on or off track, just to please everyone.

It is obvious that you don't belong here so I strongly advice you to pack your things and go race with your kinds somewhere else, before we force you to do so.

I'd like you to elaborate on 'my kind' and why I 'don't belong here'. Have me or Oscar done anything strictly out of order on-track? Not that I recall. In fact, I recall Oscar getting deliberately wrecked by Antoine, and it was made very clear by Antoine himself it was deliberate. And nothing was done. I wonder why.

You guys should be setting an example. Do you call these following quotes an example of how to act in this league 'setting an example'? :

Frank Verplanken wrote:

There is no law saying I have to let you be a member of HSO. And even if there was one I would break it without thinking twice if you piss me off too much.

(my god, I thought it was a welcome community)

Frank Verplanken wrote:

I'll deal with you if I want to and how I want to.

You gave David the situation and he dealt with it. He never called a restart so he dealt with the cards he got.

Frank Verplanken wrote:

I'd rather have races with 10 Larrads, Coxons, Becnels or Malafayas than ones with 30 Hardwicks, Jundts, Tiengous and Boukerches

Well, that's nice, because all the drivers you listed, on average, are slower than you, other than perhaps Tiago.

And my personal favourite...

Frank Verplanken wrote:

So please stop trying to lower my league to these bottom-life traction-control Ecclestoned standards, and adjust yourself to HSO standards instead. Or get lost.

That's funny, you said "I was attending GPs that you weren't born kiddo, and I've seen more races, read more racing books and magazines than you, Oscar Hardwick and Jake Cooper all put together will in two lifetimes."

Bernie has been in the sport for over 50 years... I think 'Ecclestone standards' is about as relevant to your era as it is ours...


So please, don't preach that I'm acting like an asshole because I'm simply sticking up for myself when you Frank, JP, and Gui are the biggest hypocrites of all, because not only did you start it, but you lower yourself to let it continue, when it's 'your league'. If you were truly above that, if you acted like an adult, you wouldn't throw back petty insults to drivers in your forums, and throw around your superiority complex.

Now ban me like you want to.

I came here to race. Not to get involved with this petty horseshit. But you talk down to me, David and Oscar and shit-talk us like we're some dirty outsiders, when all we've done is stick up for ourselves, you're out of order, and I speak up. I've given my time, my energy, and fuck - to fit in and try and be friendly, my awful french - but I've constantly got nothing in return but hostility and favouritism in the community.

Banning me and removing this post, that everyone deserves to see, would prove my point entirely about how corrupt and biased this whole community is towards the regular 'committee'.

Now do what you choose to do and show people who you really are.

Jon Hicken wrote:

I'd like you to elaborate on 'my kind' and why I 'don't belong here'.

For thinking this for example :

Quote :

Well, that's nice, because all the drivers you listed, on average, are slower than you, other than perhaps Tiago.

Posting porn and insults doesn't help as well.

Jon Hicken wrote:

In fact, I recall Oscar getting deliberately wrecked by Antoine, and it was made very clear by Antoine himself it was deliberate. And nothing was done. I wonder why.

As this incident seems so important to you, I'll explain what happened then. Oscar contacted me after this race, asking me to look at the replay, which I did. Then I asked Antoine to apologize to Oscar and told him that if he didn't I'd ban him for the Supercup series, and he apologized. That was only a test race so no championship sanction was taken. After that his driving was never questionned again.

Jon Hicken wrote:

Now do what you choose to do and show people who you really are.

No problem, I fully trust the judgment of our members to understand this decision. Goodbye Jon.

Well, in the end, I had the choice:

- Be a "man" and keep my good starting position but drive without FFB

- Or ESC to the pits like a scared cat, and then wait half an eternity in the pit lane to start dead last, without a chance at all from the beginning



I decided to be a man. Then I lost the car like a man around halfway point and punctured my car. Went to the pits and repaired my car by mistake which cost me... 3 minutes?

Still decided to finish this race like a man. But guess I can't be a man?

Maybe that goes under the name of "divine punishment".

Next race please.


...and sorry about the fuss.

Jon Hicken wrote:

stuff

Jon Hicken wrote:

Have me or Oscar done anything strictly out of order on-track? Not that I recall.

Oscar Hardwick wrote:

Turn 2, lap 1. Early brakers ahead and I had no brake temperature. Locked up, hit the back of him and massive front right damage. Car wont repair, completely undrivable, race over. D: REALLY FRUSTRATED. 3 races on the trott I have DNF'd. D: D: D:

Oscar Hardwick wrote:

Guillaume Siebert wrote:

In that case apologizing seems to be the right thing to do.

It was a racing incident and I am pretty sure that only I had the damage as the Lotus seemingly continued on un-hurt.

Doesn't stop it from being frustrating, that and not all of my recent non-finishes have been of my own doing.

In what was your (both) 3rd (?) race here. Didn't even apologize + the arrogance showing since the beginning, it was never going to end well. You asked for it.


Antoine

Well Jon cannot answer anymore so this ends here, thank you.