Round 4 - Donington Park [February 20th]

Pierre Closset wrote:

You're warned.

Don't give him lessons Pierre, he has been driving a Holden for a long time in WTM, he already knows.

I can understand him to some extend; When I drove the Mini at Zolder, I had the same problem

Funnily, you both have a problem with the concept of letting the leaders by. Is everyone like that in your league ?

JP Campmajo wrote:

Funnily, you both have a problem with the concept of letting the leaders by. Is everyone like that in your league ?

Wait what, me? I don't. That with Martin was an issue of colliding while lapping, not about not letting the leaders by.

We don't have to go through that again JP...


But why don't you ask Jesper: He won it more than once.

JP Campmajo wrote:

Par contre, le départ c'était assez ridicule. Y'a un gars, sur 4 courses cette année, y'en a 2 voire 3 où il fait un inter de kamikaze au 1er virage et défonce tout le monde. Une fois je veux bien, mais là ca fait beaucoup ! J'espère qu'il se reconnaitra...

Evidemment, JP, que je me reconnais (c'est Vincent qui doit bien rigoler ! ) !
Et j'en suis le premier marri, crois-moi. Et si, de l'extérieur, ça fait plutôt kamikaze, de l'intérieur, c'est vraiment par pure maladresse.
En ce moment, j'ai vraiment du mal à négocier les départs (Là, Vincent est pété de rire ! ), un peu comme Grosjean, mais le talent en moins !

Alors, promis, JP, j'entend ton rappel à l'ordre avant que tout ceci devienne préjudiciable, et ferai encore plus attention à l'avenir.

Let's begin with the Dark Side: Caterhams (I prefer to save the best for last )

Race1:

Had a nice run until the tires went and I span out of Coppice twice, which I'm not proud of to say the least

Race2:

Had a good start, braked nice and early for the first turn and I was sent into the barrier on the left side by someone hitting me

For the rest of the race, had some nice battles, other than that, see Race1......


BTCC:

Had trouble in qualifying getting it all together so 5th in class was allright, behind Teemu, Ben, Joel and..... Dave
Very well done mate, showed that the Escort is definitly fast enough to take wins, even if it was with my setup

Had a good start, blassed past Dave and Ben and a couple of GrA cars ending up with 2 tires and some door handle to door handle action trying to get room on the inside of the track with Antoine in his Holden, in other words I lost that battle but managed to keep on the inside of the track and get round the first corner fairly safe.

Kept up the pace while seeing Joel get turned around going through Craners and almost overshot the Old hairpin

Tried to catch up to Teemu but he was flying in his M3, I don't know what he had done to it then but I did realize that I was on the edge with my tires so hoped that he would have to pit for tires or get slower later in the race

Had some good fun fighting with Dave and Ben as they were keeping up for the first 15 minutes and me, Dave and David had a nice chat on TS during this time

Kept my pace up still trying to catch up to Teemu to pressure him and force him into the misstake

That got an abrubt ending as I was lapping Raynald as I misjudged the speed he would have out of McLeans and I tapped him around. Sorry Raynald but I hope it was allright in the end as I waited for you

Decided to take an early pitstop to get that worry out of the way and went in with 35 or so minutes left of the race

Came out and started doing fast consistent laps and soon saw Ben come out ahead of me but he made a couple of misstakes and soon was behind me just like Dave was after he made a hickup of his first pitstop.

Was now behind Teemu again and as I thought in the beginning of the race he had been to aggresive on the tires and this saw me close in while Teemu was getting sideways and making more and more misstakes

I stayed behind for a couple of laps and saw that my second half of the lap was faster while he was faster on the first half of the lap

Decided to make my move with 20-15 minutes to go of the race and tried my luck at a few places but the door got slammed shut at a couple of times but I noticed I should be able to have a better run out of Redgate (T1) and I set him up on the following lap and I braked earlier and got up the inside out of Redgate but it was close, really doorhandle to doorhandle

Had the better run and managed to get ahead coming down Craners and the laps that followed was a complete carneval of battles between me and Teemu until he made a slight misstake putting his left side wheels on the grass coming into Redgate some laps before the end of the race and I got a gap that I could keep for the rest of the race

Next question was: Will my fuel be enough to last?

Had 5 litres left in the tank when the black and white flag waved and I could take the win in GrB and 6th overall which I'm overjoyed with, Finally!!!

Thanks to everyone who has and hopefully will congratulate me on the win, it wasn't as easy as it might have seemed but it was good fun and the happines of seeing that black and white flag was.... Amazing

Congratz to Jesper and Dave for the other Class wins

Thanks for the racing tonight, was very enjoyable

PS: For me Ole was not a problematic driver at any point, he did everything that I hoped he would do when I came up to lap him

Tu parles pour moi JP ?
Car la seul foi que je t'ai vu (j'ai même été surpris) je me suis écarté (avec un concurent que je lappais aussi)

Pierre Closset wrote:

Tu parles pour moi JP ?
Car la seul foi que je t'ai vu (j'ai même été surpris) je me suis écarté (avec un concurent que je lappais aussi)

Nonon du tout, mais des 2 gusses au dessus qui ont l'air de bien se connaître.
Et même +1 avec ton post car j'ai eu du mal aussi (pas autant que toi tout de même ) avec cette Toyota.

Pierre Closset wrote:

You have to pull over when two class A cars in battle comeback on you, even if you are in battle, you just have to take off your feet of the gaz for a second and it's ok, you don't have to brake like a retard, and the guy you are fighting with will do the same so you will not lost time.

If you don't wan't to get overlapped just take a faster car or another class. But don't try to mess a battle between two fastest cars.

You say that I "intentionally" turn into you ? Did you know that if I come in the interior side of a turn, the weight of my 5.0 Holden (close to 1.5 tons I think ?) will pull me on the exterior of the turn ... I know that, that's why I let you a place to be.

But it's ok, I was wondering after close to a lap behind you with my light if I give you a better look to the wall, next time, if you do that again and intentionally, I will not let you only a place to be, but a closer look to the wall I'm thinking about.

You're warned.

We are all battling for one championship here. If I had known that I'd have to pit one more time before the end, I would've let you pass me easier. The races at Oulton and Thruxton I did that, as I had a nice lead in those races. Here, I was well over a minute behind the Corolla-leaders after 4 minutes, 15sec behind with 11 minutes left. I needed to push. It might sound ruder that it is due to the language barrier. But navigating traffic is an art.


As David says, I've had well over 20 races in that Holden. And been frustrated that people push me, as the car is slow in corners, and you have to brake early. And I know that. And I use that to my advantage.

However, I should've learned to watch the replay first. I felt as you turned into me, and yes, you did turn right. But I didn't know that it was because of overcorrecting a slide.

It's honestly not my problem that you have a car that works... quite bad in lapping. Sorry to say it, but it's my view.

@Laurent: The reason why I was upset, is that I'm far left on the track, and you still come over and push me. And I think I was faster than you at that point, it did drive away when I got through.

@JP: Multiclass racing I haven't learned from TPS. Pushing and driving half ugly... Is somewhat a norm there, nothing I tyr to do. Even though I did it to Frank last race

Yves, chacun son truc, toi c'est les départs, moi c'est de mémoriser qu'il y a 2 courses en caterham c'est la 2eme fois que je rate la 2eme manche ...
En plus de ça, je suis rentré trop tard pour la course BTCC. Dommage, ça devait être génial.

@JP: If I didn't understand how to let the leaders pass, why did I move over for you guys so nicely?

Ole, I understand what you say, but next time know it's better to let me pass and David in a straight line like the second one of the track (which is not that straight but so...) than keeping someone in battle just behind your ass and wich maybe result in a bump.

From my point of view, you were fighting with a class B car, and I was with David just behind me so I just thought you will slow down a bit, the BM too and it's ok, but you keep your feet on the gaz so I was a bit frustrated because of the David's pressure.

It seems to be a missunderstanding and hope it will not be the same in the futur

Championship standings are updated on the site

woo second in class not bad considering i made two pit stops due to me being an idiot

Enjoyed it alot tonight thanks HSO

Pierre Closset wrote:

Ole, I understand what you say, but next time know it's better to let me pass and David in a straight line like the second one of the track (which is not that straight but so...) than keeping someone in battle just behind your ass and wich maybe result in a bump.

From my point of view, you were fighting with a class B car, and I was with David just behind me so I just thought you will slow down a bit, the BM too and it's ok, but you keep your feet on the gaz so I was a bit frustrated because of the David's pressure.

It seems to be a missunderstanding and hope it will not be the same in the futur

My problem in this race, was that the guys decided to repair damage during a Stop&Go, which I've never experienced before.
I was 1-1.5 sec faster than Lasa&Miller at the top of the Corolla bunch, so I really had to push hard hard to try to get that first place. Usually the races won't be like this (me being so far behind and that much faster), and therefor it will be much easier to give more room, it was a special race this one, and I guess it will be much better in the future ^

Friends?

Or still enemies?

Frank Verplanken wrote:

Championship standings are updated on the site

Just something I noticed....

Is the 1 hour event less points than usual otherwhise I will have been given the wrong points, only by one but right should be right

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@Laurent: The reason why I was upset, is that I'm far left on the track, and you still come over and push me. And I think I was faster than you at that point, it did drive away when I got through.

I was 11th you were 17th and you fought me as if we were 16th an 17th ... and if you finally pulled away it's first because i went out of the track and then i stopped to pit. Watch the replay, sometimes (not always) you race against guys who are just trying to lap you, there's no point in that. And using your lights just because your upset is lame.

No harm done, it's just a game

my2cents

the last two laps against david miller, i thought i wouldnt pass him as the race was getting to its end, i did it in the last corner. Thanks to him, he didnt shut the door

Jonatan Acerclinth wrote:

Frank Verplanken wrote:

Championship standings are updated on the site

Just something I noticed....

Is the 1 hour event less points than usual otherwhise I will have been given the wrong points, only by one but right should be right

It is right, you don't get the bonus point for the fastest lap in your class, Teemu gets it.

I only want to say...

I think Miller did a great race in C Class, not excesive problems and constant, someone can be faster but who arrives first, wins

For moments, if you are being lapped constantly, can frustrate anyone, but I think a great driver, try to push all race, but if he's going to be lapped, find the way to less as minimum time as possible

Ole, I like driver's with that winner mentality, but if you have problems on first lap, not's Class A or B drivers problem

As I said in other post, those things happens on race

And you can be faster than me, but only watched me one race and practically entire with damaged car, I lost a minute in box repairing too, and everybody comes from back and must leave to lap me again

Not's easy, I know, but you must think the situation in both positions, think you were the "Fast Class" driver

Courte soirée pour moi, arrivé trop tard pour le BTCC, je profite lâchement de la fatigue des copains pour remporter les 2 Caterham, même si Cyril et Philou ne m'ont pas facilité la tâche en 2ème manche. Il ne faut pas s'arrêter sur la trajectoire pour laisser passer les leaders les gars.

JP Campmajo wrote:

Pierre Closset wrote:

Tu parles pour moi JP ?
Car la seul foi que je t'ai vu (j'ai même été surpris) je me suis écarté (avec un concurent que je lappais aussi)

Nonon du tout, mais des 2 gusses au dessus qui ont l'air de bien se connaître.
Et même +1 avec ton post car j'ai eu du mal aussi (pas autant que toi tout de même ) avec cette Toyota.

Peut être que j'y suis pour quelque chose?
Pas encore vu le replay

Ole Marius Myrvold wrote:

My problem in this race, was that the guys decided to repair damage during a Stop&Go, which I've never experienced before.
I was 1-1.5 sec faster than Lasa&Miller at the top of the Corolla bunch, so I really had to push hard hard to try to get that first place. Usually the races won't be like this (me being so far behind and that much faster), and therefor it will be much easier to give more room, it was a special race this one, and I guess it will be much better in the future ^

Friends?

Or still enemies?

Friend

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Friend

Well done gentlemen, that's the spirit

Joel Sixou wrote:

Peut être que j'y suis pour quelque chose?
Pas encore vu le replay

T'as une Alfa
Non, je parlais d'Ole et David.

Pas vraiment l'esprit au pilotage, j'ai préféré faire ESC. Désolé, Toinou pour cet accrochage pendant le tour de formation, j'étais plutôt absent hier. Désolé Yves pour le bump qui t'envoie dans le sable, je te laisse passer mais je me fais surprendre par ton freinage dans la foulée.
Probablement absent à la prochaine.