1991 F1 : Available cars / Voitures disponibles

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Given his level of mastery what the Hell else are you looking for? Jeeez, there are Aliens and then there are Mother of all aliens alien. You would be the former.

Let Martin or Guillaume try the Williams and we will see who is really the grandaddy of all aliens

I just didn't understand something Vadim...

You said the Williams is really nice and the Modena sucks......., so the mod sucks? Or you don't like the Modena itself?

The Modena was a terrible car with heavy engine and overweight chassis, plus the sidepods were a complete disaster and the car wouldn't have the balance it should, resulting in a lot of understeer.

As far as it concerns me, I never drove an F1 car, but according to everything I read about this 1991 season, the physics in the Modena seem quite reasonable for me, despite being a terrible car

Vadim Taciak wrote:

Okay. Sorry for the extra work...but this mod sucks ass.

I'm 90% sure it's your setup and driving which sucks ass if you can make it with Williams but not with worse cars. Have you ever looked incar cameras of real F1 drivers? Driving a Ferrari surely looks easier than doing the same with Marussia, right? In 1991 gaps between the teams were even bigger!

some bullets regarding this mod:

-is very sensitive to ride height
-is very sensitive to tire camber and temperatures, especially in front
-has ultra steep slip angles

Get your grips together and stop whining like a little bitch, come on.

Look into mod files. Read the manual. Open the files in Kangaloosh. Jump into Motec lab.

Samuli Leinonen wrote:

I'm 90% sure it's your setup and driving which sucks ass if you can make it with Williams but not with worse cars.

And I personnaly believe the fastest cars with their huge downforce hide the flaws of the tire physics. But that's just my opinion. I have tried all kind of setups since the start of the season, and I still think there is something very wrong with this mod.

And thank fucking God in mighty heaven Mr.Siebert sums it all up.

Tyre model is shit. The rest is very very well made.

I see how F1-S-R is improving their '92 mod, I wonder if this counts for both physics and tyres? Sadly, all other mods(aside 1991) they do are only...

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Okay, so we're basically F1 2013 in the past. The best tyre whisperer(in terms of tyre physics, not duration) is king(or nuts ).

Guillaume Siebert wrote:

I personnaly believe the fastest cars with their huge downforce hide the flaws of the tire physics. But that's just my opinion. I have tried all kind of setups since the start of the season, and I still think there is something very wrong with this mod.

True dat. Better car, easier to drive. I've tried Williams and Ferrari on some tracks just for comparsion to Lotus and it's like day and night. Apart from obvious downforce and power differences they need completely different driving style. For example in places where you can attack a kerb flatout with Williams, going anywhere near that same kerb with Lotus, not to mention Modena will END your race 9 times out of 10.

In all of seriousness, rFactor tire model is far from perfect. In this mod for example the slip angle works pretty much like on off switch so it is not easy to find the optimal steering angle for the corners leading to false thought of understeer. I remember trying this mod first time and going faster around the track with REVERSED FFB. Not very realistic lol.

You need to get the pressures and temperatures right! Combine that with correct ride height, camber and steering angles, then you can drift the car around corners if you want.

I've done 200-600 setup laps before every race this season. This mod is not easy to setup. When you get it right it's lovely.

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In all of seriousness, rFactor tire model is far from perfect. In this mod for example the slip angle works pretty much like on off switch so it is not easy to find the optimal steering angle for the corners leading to false thought of understeer

It's been a while since I looked into the tires, but IIRC what happens is that the loads defined in them for the slip angle change won't occur except at maximum downforce on a 200 mph corner. Hence you have a very stiff tire that quickly reaches the small slip angle scripted and STAYS there. Thus, when you exceed available grip and force the tire it won't increase slip angle and drift, but instead let go -and also bite heavily when it reduces speed and recovers the grip. To top it, the lateral grip coeff is very high, resulting in big mechanical grip from the contact patch that will sometimes not correspond to the other characteristics built into the tire (Like the loads exerted upon it). As a result, cars with less downforce will be even more far off from the loads for which the behaviour of the tire was conceived, and the overall driving of them becomes even more strange.

That said, it's much easier to diagnose where a problem is than solving it, LOL. I don't think I would have done a job anywhere close to what the F1RS guys did, however yes it has its flaws. Having to use the same tire model for all cars complicates things even more.

I think that might be what I experienced, but without being able to really lay the finger on it.

You go into a corner, think you got it right and have perfect grip, only for the grip to suddenly vanish with the car either going into under-or oversteer sharply, leading to strange spins.

Although I also think we've got some very late brakers here that execute it perfectly while I lock up or brake too shallow. And then, when I steer in, said thing about the tyre happens, suddenly steering into a spin

Gui,

Do I understand correctly there is an Arrows and Williams open seat?

I'd like the Williams-but am happy with either...

Bonjour à tous,

ça faisait longtemps que j'avais pas fait de post ici.
Si il y a un baquet de libre jusqu'à la fin de la saison, je serai preneur.

A bientôt, j'espère... 

Salut Patrice
Le topic pour la prochaine course sera bientot posté, tu pourra choisir une voiture pour cette course déjà, pour le reste de la saison on verra après, suivant ton niveau

I'll try the 2nd Arrows please

John Nelson wrote:

I'll try the 2nd Arrows please

What list is actual, here at first page, or there (http://historicsimracing.123.st/t2145-round-11-grand-prix-de-belgique-june-30th), i this that in F1 im am not so fast like in Sport cars and GT cars.

If can i, i would like try in footwork.

Please about reply.

I would like today training

You can take the #9 Arrows for this race only

Guillaume Siebert wrote:

You can take the #9 Arrows for this race only

Between 1991 and 1996, it was Footwork Grand Prix International, so post #1 isn't really correct  


(I'm just being pedantic, I know  )

Larrousse free  

Hey guys,

Anything still free with this as exams are done and SRW is going down the sink pretty sharpish so that went too.

Not fussed as to what car, I understand that it'll still be from that select few duds near the back xD

Anyway, would be nice to have another crack with these and have the auto-clutch on for my spins.

Cheers,

Oscar.


Edit : I'd take the Larousse if it's free then, if not a Modena should there be a waiting list for what isn't the worst car about

The admins here are only a bunch of amateurs, keeping the best cars for themselves and giving each others favors to be allowed to race like dicks, why the fuck would you want to race here ?

Guillaume Siebert wrote:

The admins here are only a bunch of amateurs, keeping the best cars for themselves and giving each others favors to be allowed to race like dicks, why the fuck would you want to race here ?

My highly calibrated "somebody crapped in somebody else's punch bowl and just got informed the owner of the floater is well known"-0-meter is showing a very high reading right now.

Guillaume Siebert wrote:

The admins here are only a bunch of amateurs, keeping the best cars for themselves and giving each others favors to be allowed to race like dicks, why the fuck would you want to race here ?

Me, regardless of my current or previous opinions. I am here for some occasional fun because I like the mods used. If you guys don't want me here then I happy to leave you alone.

Yes you can do that.

Guillaume Siebert wrote:

Yes you can do that.

Not a problem. I understand why I am not welcome here.

That said...