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Alberto Ibañez
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PostSubject: Re: BMW M1 Physics    BMW M1 Physics  - Page 9 Icon_minitimeMon 4 Oct 2010 - 16:00

OK, I have re-uploaded 0.99 to be sure all files were the correct ones, using those just tested by me and which are confirmed to be working. I have also added minor changes to the rear suspension, which should be almost unnoticeable, as I compared the new suspension graphic I found thanks to Carl and the previous job - and it seems my estimations were almost spot on. cheers
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Alberto Ibañez
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PostSubject: Re: BMW M1 Physics    BMW M1 Physics  - Page 9 Icon_minitimeMon 4 Oct 2010 - 17:47

Steve, further testing in Monaco has ocnfirmed that you were right! Apparently reducing engine inertia also lessens engine braking, so I had to rise again the engine brake map value, from your original "2" to "4" (Probably 5 would also be in order)

The updated file: http://www.mediafire.com/?embcigb8oixq0bg
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Carl Larrad
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PostSubject: Re: BMW M1 Physics    BMW M1 Physics  - Page 9 Icon_minitimeMon 4 Oct 2010 - 21:21

I Have just got the go ahead to use Artsonika's cars that just leaves
the French map car and the Andy Warhol car for permission ....

I Know of 9 cars we could add to that field that are already painted so that makes 18 cars ...Wink
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Carl Larrad
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PostSubject: Re: BMW M1 Physics    BMW M1 Physics  - Page 9 Icon_minitimeMon 4 Oct 2010 - 23:00

HeHeHe
Just got permission to use the French map car that just leaves the
Andy Warhol car and the 71 car i have to paint Wink
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Steve Parker
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Will try out new one Alberto :top: carl the andy warhol car is in rfactor somewhere i have seen it , scratch now to just find it again study


Alberto this site might be of some use to you
http://www.racer.nl/reference/carphys.htm
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Carl Larrad
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Steve Parker wrote:
Will try out new one Alberto :top: carl the andy warhol car is in rfactor somewhere i have seen it , scratch now to just find it again study


Alberto this site might be of some use to you
http://www.racer.nl/reference/carphys.htm
lol! Steve its ok i know where it is scratch i put it there just have to get permission from the owner lol!
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Tiago Malafaya
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PostSubject: Re: BMW M1 Physics    BMW M1 Physics  - Page 9 Icon_minitimeTue 5 Oct 2010 - 12:26

Sorry guys...... been busy in the last couple of days.

And it's not getting better Mad
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Alberto Ibañez
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PostSubject: Re: BMW M1 Physics    BMW M1 Physics  - Page 9 Icon_minitimeTue 5 Oct 2010 - 13:54

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I Know of 9 cars we could add to that field that are already painted so that makes 18 cars ...BMW M1 Physics  - Page 9 Icon_wink

Excellent. There were also two cars I would like to see added somewhen, one is the Motul one (Rally car IIRC but a beautiful one and with Gr. 4 specs): https://2img.net/r/ihimizer/img242/3175/1982m1darniche14wp.jpg

and the other the Piquet car from Nurburgring 81: http://files.splinder.com/da97c6467214ff3c3ae7dd76c7919dae_medium.jpg

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Thanks for the link Steve bounce

Tiago don't worry, the testing phase is over. Whatever could remain is just a matter iof bug-fixing and polishing minor details, but most of that I can do myself BMW M1 Physics  - Page 9 652294
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Steve Parker
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Carl Larrad wrote:
Steve Parker wrote:
Will try out new one Alberto :top: carl the andy warhol car is in rfactor somewhere i have seen it , scratch now to just find it again study


Alberto this site might be of some use to you
http://www.racer.nl/reference/carphys.htm
lol! Steve its ok i know where it is scratch i put it there just have to get permission from the owner lol!



Sorry m8 didnt realise you had that one,owner can be contacted here
http://www.gtr4u.de/index.php?l=2

Alberto i was looking at piquet car myself today lol!
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Tiago Malafaya
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Alberto Ibañez wrote:
Tiago don't worry, the testing phase is over. Whatever could remain is just a matter iof bug-fixing and polishing minor details, but most of that I can do myself BMW M1 Physics  - Page 9 652294


Ok Alberto, can't wait to see the final product :top:
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Carl Larrad
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PostSubject: Re: BMW M1 Physics    BMW M1 Physics  - Page 9 Icon_minitimeTue 5 Oct 2010 - 16:14

Ive asked Gianluca to give me a hand with tidying up some of the skins ....

As you've all made such a good job of the physics it would be a shame for V2
to be let down by the paint so each skin especially 1979 will need to be retouched ...

Before release i would like to make sure that we have all the Old Skins
painted on the New Template as this goes much better with the New Model
as most of the Old Skins have door and panels lines in the wrong place ....

It may take a bit longer but i think its worth it ...

If anyone else would like to help i can email the
New template .... Wink
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PostSubject: Re: BMW M1 Physics    BMW M1 Physics  - Page 9 Icon_minitimeWed 6 Oct 2010 - 9:40

Does anyone know if

All the cars have Dunlop Tyres in 1979
and then Goodyear tryes in 1980
or was this just the works cars ... scratch
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PostSubject: Re: BMW M1 Physics    BMW M1 Physics  - Page 9 Icon_minitimeWed 6 Oct 2010 - 14:00

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Does anyone know if

All the cars have Dunlop Tyres in 1979
and then Goodyear tryes in 1980
or was this just the works cars ... BMW M1 Physics  - Page 9 18590

Good questions. I looked at it a while ago, and couldn't find any info in all sources I have readed so far. I guess the answer will come from looking at the car pictures, all of them seem to have sponsor logos or even the tyre brand visible in white lettering (Good Year ones specially)
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Gianluca Desposito
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PostSubject: Re: BMW M1 Physics    BMW M1 Physics  - Page 9 Icon_minitimeWed 6 Oct 2010 - 14:18

On Racing Sport Car site in to relative section of Procar Championships, you can see the photo and the INFO, and there they mension only GoodYear tyres hoters users appear like unknown! :hum:
http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/Silverstone-1979-07-14.html
http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/Brands_Hatch-1980-07-13.html
http://www.racingsportscars.com/championship/Procar%20BMW%20M1.html
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PostSubject: Re: BMW M1 Physics    BMW M1 Physics  - Page 9 Icon_minitimeWed 6 Oct 2010 - 14:54

I have been going again through my sources, and it seems that ALL competitors were given the same tyres, provided by BMW. In 1979 they started with Goodyear, in end of 1980 they had Dunlops. When was the transition? Difficult to say. In any case, it seems logical for a competition with the same cars to use the same tyres for all ...

Giancarlo, in the web you linked the pictures of non-official cars show clearly GoodYear logos on them, so it seems to confirm what I knew (If pictures are from that race, that is).
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PostSubject: Re: BMW M1 Physics    BMW M1 Physics  - Page 9 Icon_minitimeWed 6 Oct 2010 - 15:12

BTW thanks to your link Gianluca I have found data regarding the starting hours for practice/race/qualy, so I will fix that in the rFM file cheers
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PostSubject: Re: BMW M1 Physics    BMW M1 Physics  - Page 9 Icon_minitimeWed 6 Oct 2010 - 20:24

tires in nosring 80 Goodyear.

nice trip this chassis had. all way to group 5

http://www.racingsportscars.com/chassis/photo/WBS59910004301028.html

can we add group 5 car Smile one for fun. like this one. 81 was in Silverstone 12 h
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PostSubject: Re: BMW M1 Physics    BMW M1 Physics  - Page 9 Icon_minitimeWed 6 Oct 2010 - 21:09

So far only tyres I have seen in the works PROCARs pics are the GoodYears! But I have seen at least a pic of one private team with Dunlops in 1980, so it might be possible that along that year private teams were allowed to use them?

About Gr. 5: The mod was about PROCARs, i.e. Gr. 5 M1s, but the main issue is that we would need a new 3D model. Also, lots of work to paint more cars, etc.
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PostSubject: Re: BMW M1 Physics    BMW M1 Physics  - Page 9 Icon_minitimeWed 6 Oct 2010 - 21:17

I Know they used Avons in the revival lol!
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PostSubject: Re: BMW M1 Physics    BMW M1 Physics  - Page 9 Icon_minitimeThu 7 Oct 2010 - 18:21

I'm glad to announce that I have been able to extract sounds from an inboard video on an M1 BMW M1 Physics  - Page 9 12028 BMW M1 Physics  - Page 9 12028 BMW M1 Physics  - Page 9 12028 BMW M1 Physics  - Page 9 12028 BMW M1 Physics  - Page 9 12028

Our mod will hence have the real 6-pot screaming in our ears BMW M1 Physics  - Page 9 153974
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Carl Larrad
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PostSubject: Re: BMW M1 Physics    BMW M1 Physics  - Page 9 Icon_minitimeThu 7 Oct 2010 - 18:46

WOW i cant wait to hear that ...wheres my earplugs affraid
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Tiago Malafaya
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PostSubject: Re: BMW M1 Physics    BMW M1 Physics  - Page 9 Icon_minitimeThu 7 Oct 2010 - 20:01

I just love a good sounding mod..... :clap:
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PostSubject: Re: BMW M1 Physics    BMW M1 Physics  - Page 9 Icon_minitimeThu 7 Oct 2010 - 20:39

Don't keep your hopes too high, though. Extracting the sounds from a video is one thing, and making them sound in the game as good as they are in videos and real life is a very different thing. But the first step is already done in the right direction BMW M1 Physics  - Page 9 652294
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PostSubject: Re: BMW M1 Physics    BMW M1 Physics  - Page 9 Icon_minitimeSat 9 Oct 2010 - 9:39

hows the sound coming Wink
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PostSubject: Re: BMW M1 Physics    BMW M1 Physics  - Page 9 Icon_minitimeMon 11 Oct 2010 - 12:22

Been the whole weekend out of town (It's a celebration day today here in spain) and just came back and fired up the computer. What a Face

I have most of the sound samples I need, what is giving me more problems is doing the proper mix with them. That's where it becomes clear that I'm no sound guy at all, I guess, but I will keep trying. I'l also later upload the sound samples and give you guys a link in case anyone wants to give them a try (Or have his MS Windows startup sound replaced by the M1 engine start LOL)
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